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  Ben on If the Bible is really the word of God, why aren’t more people actually reading it?
  Tony, I think you may have inflated your 200 lb and 800 lb gorillas. http://bigthink.com/ideas/20583http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/800_lb_gorilla »
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  Erich Vieth on On tipping points and feedback loops
  One way to slow the devastation is to realize the extent to which we are a throw away culture. http://www.recycle.co.uk/throw-away.html We haven't yet begun to fight the devastation, though. Not really. The question is whether we ever will or whether we have become quietly resigned. I suspect that we won't turn this mess around, because there ... »
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  Erich Vieth on If the Bible is really the word of God, why aren’t more people actually reading it?
  Walter: Thank you, I think. Too bad the original video from the debates is missing, and all we really have is highly charged commentary from a fellow who is not a big fan of Richard Dawkins. I prefer to allow Dawkins speak for himself rather than have someone else interpret what he says. For instance, consider this series of videos http://dan... »
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  Karl on …Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others…
  Lets talk some cosmology and modelling.When is there sufficient evidence for a claim that proposed events unobserved in real time but caused by chance (or with somekind of unknown causes) can be assumed to have really existed?For example, We discover what appears to common perceptions to clearly be a human artifact stuck in the middle of hardened c... »
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  Tony Coyle on How to refuse to look at evidence and how to evade simple questions
  Ben, the part of the quote that's true (in my opinion) for most people 'infected' with religion is I’m not sure I understand how it works. From the thread, the speaker is a person on the path to agnosticism/atheism. They are 'trying' to understand, which is part of the process of learning.Without trying to understand, it is really hard to understa... »
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  Tim Hogan on How to refuse to look at evidence and how to evade simple questions
  Neither God nor the Bible are necessary for one to lead a moral life. Morality is a choice. Morality is not dictated by circumstance nor given to us by some divine injection of substance but for the most part by the quiet choices we make day to day that make us who and what we are as human animals within society. I believe in God but, even if I did... »
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  Tim Hogan on The real cost of the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq.
  The latest from Afghanistan: Karzai says; "US out of graft investigations!" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/08/AR2010090805935.html?hpid=topnewsI say: "US out of Afghanistan!" If Mr. Karzai can do it alone, let him. »
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  Ben on How to refuse to look at evidence and how to evade simple questions
  "I truly don't mean this to be insulting, so please don't take it that way, but what is your motivation to live a moral, upstanding life without the guidance of the rules of God and the Bible? I know you guys do this, but I'm not sure I understand how it works without concrete guidance." http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/promoting_a_commen... »
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  Mark Tiedemann on …Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others…
  Karl writes:---"Don’t know if your Mom and I are alike in our reasons’s for rejecting chance based Macro-evolution over deep time or not. It doesn’t personally bother me that the DNA or “blueprints” for chimps or a human are very similar. What bothers me is that there are those who turn statements like, “if we can’t scientifically discover or model... »
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  Tony Coyle on …Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others…
  KarlUp, then down, down, down...1) Macro-evolution there is no macro, no micro - there just is evolution - it's turtles all the way down.2) unsubstantiated strawman, in “if we can’t scientifically discover or model an answer to our philosophical questions of meaning and values” then there any not any other potential answers worth considering either... »
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  Karl on …Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others…
  Mark,Don't know if your Mom and I are alike in our reasons's for rejecting chance based Macro-evolution over deep time or not. It doesn't personally bother me that the DNA or "blueprints" for chimps or a human are very similar. What bothers me is that there are those who turn statements like, "if we can't scientifically discover or model an answ... »
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  Tony Coyle on My kind of house
  Should I object to being used as your exemplar polar opposite, or as an extrovert should I bask in the added attention this might bring?hmmmm! »
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  Tony Coyle on My kind of house
  I'd like most of those houses (location, location, location)... but I'd need solar, wind, and geothermal power, a satellite link, a helipad, a bunch of secondary guest bedrooms and a big party room!ah! Solitude! (for extreme extroverts) »
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  Tony Coyle on The real cost of the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq.
  TimI agree with the principle behind your comment regarding the evolution of the war in Afghanistan. I was against the war from the beginning. I saw a replication of the failed Soviet war in Afghanistan (where we supported the mujahadeen), and of the many failed 'police actions' throughout the latter 20th century. This was simply more of the sam... »
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  Niklaus Pfirsig on …Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others…
  Karl we're are not drinking the toxic kool-ade here. "This is not meant to be or even sound convoluted but I’m sure someone here will probably take it in some way unintended."Actually it doesn't sound convoluted at all. It sounds like a misguided and biased point of view. "I’m very confident that a very large majority of the members of the Musl... »
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  Alison on My kind of house
  Well, Erich, I'm anything but an introvert, but I can definitely feel the pull of a place like that. Even we social types need a break every once in a while. I couldn't live there, but I could definitely vacation there regularly! »
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  Tim Hogan on The real cost of the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq.
  Erich, we went into Afghanistan to oust The Taliban and get OSB. I supported the war in Afghanistan.We got rid of the Taliban as the govebnment of Afghanistan and replaced it with an inept corrupt collage of shady characters more bent on securing power for themselves and their tribal cronies and lining their pockets than securing any future for al... »
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  Tony Coyle on …Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others…
  Karl - regarding your comment on extremists taking over religions (if I may so paraphrase).Welcome to the world we live in. This is exactly why we, as non believers, feel so beleaguered in our daily lives.It is not the moderates who cause us angst. We are troubled by the extremists who would turn this and every other country into their theocratic ... »
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  Tony Coyle on If the Bible is really the word of God, why aren’t more people actually reading it?
  WalterThe "first particle spontaneously arising from nothing" is cosmology. In cosmology, Prof. Dawkins is a layman (as am I, as are you, I warrant)Therefore whatever he says on that subject is merely his opinion. Not the opinion of 'Science' (although in this case he is pretty close to mainstream, he is nowhere near the bleeding edge of current t... »
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  Tony Coyle on …Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others…
  KarlYou astound me with a (mostly) cogent post.It reflects upon the current situation in the US congress, with Republicans proud to be the party of NO. (leadership? or self-interest?)It reflects upon the opposition to the Cordoba House project (principled leadership, or sheer demagoguery?)It reflects upon the government in Iran - seemingly democrat... »
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