Did Anne Frank go to hell?
Now here is a question I’d never thought to ask. Not of myself, mind you. I discarded belief in any afterlife long ago. But it is a good question to pose to fundamentalist Christians. And so Rachel Evans did. Credit where due, I found it via the Friendly Atheist.
If you read her post and comments, you see a lot of hemming and hawing from Chrisitans who believe a) in a kind, loving, and just God who b) sends everyone to hell except the most extreme sycophants. They try to have it both ways.
In brief, yes, all Jews go to Hell. But when considering this actual young, innocent person, who was a victim of Martin Luther’s plan enacted by a Catholic leader, they sputter.
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Good post Dan! Of course she and all Jews go to hell for their inability to believe something that cannot be reasonably defended. But we don't know what Hitler did in his final moments. Maybe he said the magic words with real conviction and got into heaven? The Lord works in mysterious ways.
There are a few Christian churches that believe Jesus actually succeeded in his mission to take original sin and all other sins upon himself and atone for it. That is, we are born in a state of grace, and are forgiven all other sins against God. Everyone. Even child-molesting clergy, heretics, atheists, and other scum.
Their view is that we should feel grateful and celebrate his sacrifice, and to live daily mindful that we were given a reprieve. But heaven is not predicated on obsequiousness to Christ and His Holy Order.
Silly Klarmann, of course not! See ya there!
http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/04/28/catho…
In heaven, I mean!
I once "accepted Jesus into my heart" at a Christian camp; soon afterwards, I asked him to leave. My Christian friend's opinion on whether I'll go to hell? Not if Jesus is still there – in my heart, I mean. She said that only Jesus can decide whether he leaves.
@Zoevinly: When you accepted Jesus, faith is now born unto you. Faith is a substance, the conviction of the unseen, it has a measurement that only God can measure. Faith is the connection between you and God, and if you want not to believe anymore, the communication is gone. May God forgive you for what you've done.
signus: I think that "God" is your hand-puppet. Maybe there ought to be a convention of people who have God hand-puppets, and their puppets can argue with each other all day long.
"Faith is a substance"? Is this like the Scientology contention that thoughts have mass?
Many years ago, an inquisitive young lad asked for resolution of the Trinity. Of course, there was none coming. (But I did get an answer, such as it is, on my own when I read Richard Rubenstein's "When Jesus Became God: The Struggle to Define Christianity during the Last Days of Rome".)
Many years later, it occurs to me to wonder, briefly, if the Trinity believers should be referring to Him as They?
Jim: Interesting . . . Why is it that so many believers speak of God in the singular? It's not like the Gods are completely blended. Believers speak of Jesus as a distinct personality and they speak of God the Father as a distinct personality (I don't know of any people who pray specifically to the Holy Spirit, but I assume some such folks exist). Given that the alleged persons in God are distinct, the only appropriate pronoun is the plural (they or them).
Have you read Rubenstein's book? Pretty slick maneuvering by Athanasius to establish Jesus as a god and not just the son of God. Borrowing again from existing myths, they opted for a Trinity (instead of a Binity?) because I guess three is better than two. Although politically, the triangle isn't as stable as its geometric parallel.
Anyway, 'twas quite the debate and controversy among the early Christian clergy. They couldn't agree back then either.
Jim: Bart Ehrman has a lot to say about the trinity in his newest book. "The Nicene Creed and the Trinity were constructs of the later church and are not found in the pages of the Bible." http://dangerousintersection.org/2010/08/22/if-bi… I'm halfway through the book, and it's excellent reading.
I've always figured that "The Father" is the alcoholic, abusive, largely absentee daddy from the Old Testament, Jesus, "The Son" is the enabling, protective and guilt-spawning mommy, and "The Holy Ghost" is the nostalgic memory of these wonderful parents.
are you kidding?
This is the same point being made by those who suggest that, according to many Christians, Gandhi also went to hell.