Joe Rogan Discusses Unwarranted Transgendering of Young Girls with Author Abigail Shrier

Abigail Shrier is an author, journalist, and writer for the Wall Street Journal. Her new book is “Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters.” At the outset, Shrier makes it clear that she has no issue with adults making decisions to transgender. Despite a higher level of suicide by transgendered adults (compared to the population at large), many transgendered adults are in a better place after transgendering. This is a very different situation from teenaged girls, where the decision to transgender is often driven unwittingly by intense social pressures by friends (groups of teenage girls often transgender together), loneliness and a misreading of the causes of one’s anxiety or teenage unhappiness.

Here is the discussion (now on Spotify):

In the discussion with Joe Rogan, Shrier is concerned that most transgendering decisions of teenaged girls is a mistake with horrific consequences. The problem is that most of these teenaged girls are not mis-gendered. They are often confusing other issues, such as generalized anxiety (exacerbated by social media) and high-functioning autism, for misgendering. All the while, they (most of them come from left leaning households) receive high praise and attention from their peers and families, who are viewing these decisions, even by young girls, as a “civil rights” issue. To make things worse, testosterone is being handed out like candy (including by Planned Parenthood) based often upon self-diagnoses. Some surgeons will readily perform transgender surgery on girls without even requiring a psychological consult.

What are the numbers?

Shrier:

Gender dysphoria used to afflict 0.01 percent of the population, so one in ten thousand people so probably no one you went to high school with, but today we already know that two percent of high school students are identifying as transgender and two percent of high school students, you’re talking about 1.1 million teenage high school kids in America.

Joe: Two percent? . . . Most of them are girls

Joe: Most of them are girls.

Shrier: We can just look at the number of gender surgeries and we see that in 2060 between 2016 and 2017 the number of gender surgeries for biological females quadrupled, so we know they are the biggest and fastest growing population

Joe: Wow – that’s a stunning number, two percent.

Shrier: You go from 0.1% of the whole population to two percent of high schoolers and the vast majority of them are teenage girls. I can give you a bunch of other statistics. One of the reasons it’s hard to know exactly how many, aside from the fact that we don’t have a centralized control of this, is because you don’t need an actual diagnosis of gender dysphoria to get testosterone, so you just go in and get it you don’t need the diagnosis. In England, where you have a centralized medical care, and there you do need a diagnosis, they know that the numbers for adolescent girls are up over 4,000 percent.

Joe: Holy shit. So you knew all this stuff before you wrote the book?

Shrier: No, it came out in the course of writing it.

Joe: So that had to kind of affirm your idea that this was a real problem.

Shrier: I mean everywhere I looked it seemed to be a real problem.

Joe Rogan asked how it was that Shrier was convinced that these transgender transitions of young women are not legitimate. Shrier responded:

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Let me tell you three
reasons. I don’t think that’s compelling
number one when when Lisa Lippmann
looked at the prevalence rate, she found
that it’s 70 times what we would expect
within a friend group, which means it’s
highly concentrated in groups of friends,
But there’s two other reasons so we
wouldn’t expect that if it were randomly
distributed among the population, but
there are two other reasons. I don’t
think that’s the right number one if we’re
just rewinding to normal, now that
there’s greater society societal
acceptance. We’re just saying we’re
just reverting to a normal
base rate of transgender women, where
are all the women in their 40s and 60s
coming out as trans? They should be
coming out now. It is their time now. It is
their moment. We should seeing tons of women
in their 40s and 60s and so on coming
out as transgender. We’re not seeing that.
We’re seeing the same population that
gets involved in cutting. Demonic
possession, witchcraft, anorexia, bulimia
convinces themselves there’s a problem.
And there’s one one last reason, is that suicide
rates are going up. But if these women
who were living under a prior you know
supposedly these all these transgender
these real transgender people who are
living under a more repressive regime
and are now just finding themselves,
you would think the suicide rate would
be going down with greater acceptance, so
when you’re saying suicide rates are
going up. You mean suicide rates with
teens who turn trans, that’s the
rate of trans to aside among this
population fall among girls in general–
is extraordinarily high. This is just one
part of the mental health crisis they’re
in and, second, of all we know that the
rate that these these kids that these
trans identified kids have very high
rates of suicide suicidal ideation. It’s
it’s really an area of real
concern but there’s definitely an area
of real concern, as well with social media.

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Erich Vieth is an attorney focusing on civil rights (including First Amendment), consumer law litigation and appellate practice. At this website often writes about censorship, corporate news media corruption and cognitive science. He is also a working musician, artist and a writer, having founded Dangerous Intersection in 2006. Erich lives in St. Louis, Missouri with his two daughters.

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    Stacy Dianne Kennedy Reported this on FB:

    The original study was widely reported. The correction has not been.

    “In October 2019 The American Journal of Psychiatry published a study by Dr Richard Bränström and Dr John E Pachankis which examined the effects of sex reassignment surgery on the mental health of trans people.
    “The results of this study seemed to show that surgery improves the mental health of those with body dysphoria. Tweeting on 4th October the Journal stated it ‘lends support to the decision to provide gender-affirming surgeries to those who seek them.’
    “However, last week, the Journal issued a correction. It said that, contrary to previous claims, sex-reassignment surgery provides no benefit to mental health.
    ” ‘Some letters containing questions on the statistical methodology employed in the study led the Journal to seek statistical consultations. The results of these consultations were presented to the study authors, who concurred with many of the points raised. Upon request, the authors reanalyzed the data to compare outcomes between individuals diagnosed with gender incongruence who had received gender-affirming surgical treatments and those diagnosed with gender incongruence who had not… The results demonstrated no advantage of surgery in relation to subsequent mood or anxiety disorder-related health care visits or prescriptions or hospitalizations following suicide attempts in that comparison.’ [AJP]”

    https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-american-journal-of-psychiatry?fbclid=IwAR2XcIkXr3PwjTs8YMP_aLObTDkeysiiAYfs2qNcJxgKDkNUfs0UqJ6ZDpU

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    “Dr. Quentin L. Van Meter shares his expertise as he reviews the medicine and science of the transgender ideology. He convincingly shows that there is no justification for medical interventions to treat gender dysphoric children.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcYrDrzV7DY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0cYNBYRG8uyifgRd0wr_1qkcSGv4MzBEUZ3D4GJGfu1t3d4pZ15yDVC3Q

    puberty is not a
    05:40
    disease state it’s a very important
    05:42
    physiologic change
    05:44
    and when you block puberty in the
    05:45
    adolescent years
    05:47
    you basically are essentially shutting
    05:49
    down
    05:50
    the maturation of the testicle or the
    05:52
    ovary at a time where it’s very
    05:54
    important for that organ
    05:55
    to begin to develop okay and when you
    05:58
    shut it down
    05:59
    and for three or five or five years and
    06:01
    you then throw in
    06:03
    cross-sex hormones you essentially fry
    06:06
    the gonad you make the testicle
    06:08
    essentially useless it will never
    06:10
    regain its fertility the ovary the same
    06:13
    and so we are sterilizing
    06:14
    children by putting them on these
    06:16
    puberty blockers they say oh it’s
    06:18
    reversible we’ll do it for a year or so
    06:20
    nobody does it for a year or so when you
    06:22
    get on puberty blockers you stay on them
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    until
    06:25
    your cross-sex hormones are given and
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    are working
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    and causing changes and by that time you
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    have essentially
    06:31
    damaged the human body irreparably

    This interview pulls no punches:

    so the suicide is a myth it’s a total
    38:12
    myth it’s misquoted it’s often quoted
    38:14
    it’s used as a hammer
    38:16
    to guilt parents into doing this and
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    it’s it’s it’s criminal that someone
    38:20
    gets away with that
    38:21
    um so the two big lies are born
    38:24
    in the wrong body and commit suicide if
    38:27
    you don’t get what you want
    38:29
    then the realities the real realities on
    38:31
    the other side are
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    you’ve probably taken somebody who might
    38:34
    have been on the pathway
    38:36
    developing same-sex attraction and you
    38:38
    sidebar them out whether
    38:40
    they might have been an adult who was
    38:42
    gay or lesbian and had a
    38:44
    happy life or a reasonably happy life
    38:46
    without medical conditions induced by
    38:49
    medicines and without mutilating their
    38:50
    organs
    38:51
    you can’t make a breast out of nothing
    38:54
    you can give males estrogen and the
    38:56
    breast tissue will grow
    38:57
    but in females who have their breasts
    38:59
    removed there’s no returning
    39:00
    getting the tissue back once it’s
    39:02
    amputated off the body
    39:03
    when the penis is gone it’s gone you can
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    you can take
    39:06
    some vascular tissue and you can wrap it
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    in skin and
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    plastic surgeons are spending hours and
    39:12
    hours training to make artificial
    39:14
    penises to sew on the front of the
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    of the area and the perineum for females
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    to have something to hang between their
    39:19
    legs
    39:20
    creating scrota that they put artificial
    39:23
    testicles in so that it hangs down
    39:25
    and and calling that a functional sexual
    39:28
    anatomy
    39:29
    there’s nothing functional about it at
    39:32
    all it never will function the way the
    39:34
    normal anatomy will
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    the vaginas that they create and create
    39:38
    boring holes in the perineum
    39:40
    and lining it with skin of the penis or
    39:42
    wherever if there’s not
    39:43
    not enough to do that for other skin or
    39:45
    mucous membranes it has
    39:47
    no ability to secrete the secretions it
    39:49
    has no sensitivity sensation
    39:52
    orgasms are not what you what you get
    39:54
    there’s no normal sexual function
    39:56
    the kids that come in early are dreaming
    39:58
    that they’re going to turn their bodies
    40:00
    into the opposite sex

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    “Since January, children in Washington state ages 13 and up can obtain confidential treatment for mental health conditions and gender dysphoria using their parent’s insurance plan—without their parents’ consent.
    Now, the state is considering a bill to set up health clinics on middle and high school campuses. Parents fear these clinics will talk children into dangerous and irreversible medical treatments such as puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to make their bodies look more like the opposite sex.”

    https://world.wng.org/content/washington_erasing_parents_from_the_equation

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    Abigail Shrier was recently interviewed by Ben Shapiro.

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    Erich Vieth

    Like Diana Fleischman, I hadn’t appreciated this until Abigail Shrier mentioned it during her discussion with Ben Shapiro. A woman’s “high” from taking exogenous testosterone as part of her attempted transition to being a trans man could easily be confused for the feeling that one was was born in the wrong body and is now in the correct body.

    https://twitter.com/sentientist/status/1333852408145915905

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    From Abigail Shrier’s Substack Website, an article titled “Inside Planned Parenthood’s Gender Factory: An Ex-Reproductive Health Assistant Speaks Out.”

    Most interesting to me was the fact that, according to the employee, the girls would often arrive to the clinic with a group of friends. (For what other medical treatments do girls arrive with peer group in tow?) It smacked more of the gleeful trips teen girls once took to the mall for ear piercings than the sober medical treatment of a genuine mental health disorder.

    What was the mood in the waiting room among these friends? “Super cheerful, giggly. It’s a fun thing,” she said, a touch of cynicism whetting her tone.

    I asked her if she and the other nurses and reproductive health assistants didn’t think there was something suspicious about girls’ showing up in groups of friends for treatment—whether it didn’t cross the employees’ minds that peer influence might be at play. “It’s kind of one of those things where you just roll your eyes.” She told me. “The extent of our intervention” was to grant “their requests to start the hormone therapy.”

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    Librarians face censors who claim they are not censors:

    Like McKay, Sam, who is about to start an internship at Dal’s Killam Library, said they are not interested in trying to censor [Abigail Shrier’s] book more broadly. They just don’t want it in the public library’s collection, and they don’t think the free speech argument is strong enough.

    “I understand the concerns about free speech,” Sam said. “But libraries can’t take a neutral stance, because taking a neutral stance means you are siding with the oppressors. If the library is safe for transphobia, it’s not safe for trans people. Full stop. And I don’t believe it violates the mandate of free speech for libraries to pick and choose” the books they add to their collections.

    https://www.halifaxexaminer.ca/featured/if-the-library-is-safe-for-transphobia-its-not-safe-for-trans-people/

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    Dr. Erica Anderson (January, 2022), writing at the San Francisco Examiner:

    In my over 40 years as a psychologist, I’ve seen psychotherapeutic phenomena come and go. Eating disorders, multiple personality disorders and repressed memory syndrome have in retrospect spread through subgroups of adolescents and the professionals who have treated them. This spread is like wildfire through vulnerable underbrush, clearly borne in an environment of contagion.

    Why is this phenomenon distinctly different from previous ones? How is it possible that gender identity formation constitutes the only area of development in adolescence that is immune from peer influence? Having gone to extraordinary lengths to make San Francisco the best city in the world for trans acceptance and affirmation, let’s not be derailed by zealous disregard for what we see happening in our own back, front and virtual yard.

    The COVID pandemic doesn’t appear to be going away anytime soon, nor are online dynamics detrimental to young people. So let’s make sure that every young person questioning their gender gets what they need, not just what they want.

    https://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/are-we-seeing-a-phenomenon-of-trans-youth-social-contagion/

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