Ed Snowden invited Daniel Ellsberg to have a conversation. These two men who are heroes to me (and to each other), discuss the importance of whistle-blowers, free speech and the war powers of the United States. Ellsberg points out (at min 8) that he did not disclose the Pentagon Papers because the government was lying or because the Vietnam war wasn’t winnable. Almost everyone knew these things at that time. He did it because the war was “wrong” and it was “getting bigger,” at a time where Nixon knew that he might be drawing the Chinese into the war and he was considering the use of nuclear weapons.

At minute 12, Ed Snowden explains that he acted not because he was against spying (though he was against spying), but because the government was acting outside of the knowledge and control of the People. The government was reinterpreting the Constitution outside of the knowledge of the People (and outside of the knowledge of most members of Congress) in a “secret rubber-stamp court.” The People were no longer “partner” with the government, but “subjects” of the government. Snowden continued, from Bush to Obama to Trump, “the government is becoming less accountable to the People, and the people are becoming more accountable to the government.”