Abigail Shrier is an author, journalist, and writer for the Wall Street Journal. Her new book is “Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters.” At the outset, Shrier makes it clear that she has no issue with adults making decisions to transgender. Despite a higher level of suicide by transgendered adults (compared to the population at large), many transgendered adults are in a better place after transgendering. This is a very different situation from teenaged girls, where the decision to transgender is often driven unwittingly by intense social pressures by friends (groups of teenage girls often transgender together), loneliness and a misreading of the causes of one’s anxiety or teenage unhappiness.
Here is the discussion (now on Spotify):
In the discussion with Joe Rogan, Shrier is concerned that most transgendering decisions of teenaged girls is a mistake with horrific consequences. The problem is that most of these teenaged girls are not mis-gendered. They are often confusing other issues, such as generalized anxiety (exacerbated by social media) and high-functioning autism, for misgendering. All the while, they (most of them come from left leaning households) receive high praise and attention from their peers and families, who are viewing these decisions, even by young girls, as a “civil rights” issue. To make things worse, testosterone is being handed out like candy (including by Planned Parenthood) based often upon self-diagnoses. Some surgeons will readily perform transgender surgery on girls without even requiring a psychological consult.
What are the numbers?
Shrier:
Gender dysphoria used to afflict 0.01 percent of the population, so one in ten thousand people so probably no one you went to high school with, but today we already know that two percent of high school students are identifying as transgender and two percent of high school students, you’re talking about 1.1 million teenage high school kids in America.
Joe: Two percent? . . . Most of them are girls
Joe: Most of them are girls.
Shrier: We can just look at the number of gender surgeries and we see that in 2060 between 2016 and 2017 the number of gender surgeries for biological females quadrupled, so we know they are the biggest and fastest growing population
Joe: Wow – that’s a stunning number, two percent.
Shrier: You go from 0.1% of the whole population to two percent of high schoolers and the vast majority of them are teenage girls. I can give you a bunch of other statistics. One of the reasons it’s hard to know exactly how many, aside from the fact that we don’t have a centralized control of this, is because you don’t need an actual diagnosis of gender dysphoria to get testosterone, so you just go in and get it you don’t need the diagnosis. In England, where you have a centralized medical care, and there you do need a diagnosis, they know that the numbers for adolescent girls are up over 4,000 percent.
Joe: Holy shit. So you knew all this stuff before you wrote the book?
Shrier: No, it came out in the course of writing it.
Joe: So that had to kind of affirm your idea that this was a real problem.
Shrier: I mean everywhere I looked it seemed to be a real problem.
Joe Rogan asked how it was that Shrier was convinced that these transgender transitions of young women are not legitimate. Shrier responded:
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Let me tell you three
reasons. I don’t think that’s compelling
number one when when Lisa Lippmann
looked at the prevalence rate, she found
that it’s 70 times what we would expect
within a friend group, which means it’s
highly concentrated in groups of friends,
But there’s two other reasons so we
wouldn’t expect that if it were randomly
distributed among the population, but
there are two other reasons. I don’t
think that’s the right number one if we’re
just rewinding to normal, now that
there’s greater society societal
acceptance. We’re just saying we’re
just reverting to a normal
base rate of transgender women, where
are all the women in their 40s and 60s
coming out as trans? They should be
coming out now. It is their time now. It is
their moment. We should seeing tons of women
in their 40s and 60s and so on coming
out as transgender. We’re not seeing that.
We’re seeing the same population that
gets involved in cutting. Demonic
possession, witchcraft, anorexia, bulimia
convinces themselves there’s a problem.
And there’s one one last reason, is that suicide
rates are going up. But if these women
who were living under a prior you know
supposedly these all these transgender
these real transgender people who are
living under a more repressive regime
and are now just finding themselves,
you would think the suicide rate would
be going down with greater acceptance, so
when you’re saying suicide rates are
going up. You mean suicide rates with
teens who turn trans, that’s the
rate of trans to aside among this
population fall among girls in general–
is extraordinarily high. This is just one
part of the mental health crisis they’re
in and, second, of all we know that the
rate that these these kids that these
trans identified kids have very high
rates of suicide suicidal ideation. It’s
it’s really an area of real
concern but there’s definitely an area
of real concern, as well with social media.
Planned Parenthood’s Webpage Re: Transgender Issues.
Stacy Dianne Kennedy Reported this on FB:
The original study was widely reported. The correction has not been.
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-american-journal-of-psychiatry?fbclid=IwAR2XcIkXr3PwjTs8YMP_aLObTDkeysiiAYfs2qNcJxgKDkNUfs0UqJ6ZDpU
“Dr. Quentin L. Van Meter shares his expertise as he reviews the medicine and science of the transgender ideology. He convincingly shows that there is no justification for medical interventions to treat gender dysphoric children.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcYrDrzV7DY&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0cYNBYRG8uyifgRd0wr_1qkcSGv4MzBEUZ3D4GJGfu1t3d4pZ15yDVC3Q
puberty is not a
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disease state it’s a very important
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physiologic change
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and when you block puberty in the
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adolescent years
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you basically are essentially shutting
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down
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the maturation of the testicle or the
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ovary at a time where it’s very
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important for that organ
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to begin to develop okay and when you
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shut it down
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and for three or five or five years and
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you then throw in
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cross-sex hormones you essentially fry
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the gonad you make the testicle
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essentially useless it will never
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regain its fertility the ovary the same
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and so we are sterilizing
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children by putting them on these
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puberty blockers they say oh it’s
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reversible we’ll do it for a year or so
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nobody does it for a year or so when you
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get on puberty blockers you stay on them
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until
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your cross-sex hormones are given and
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are working
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and causing changes and by that time you
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have essentially
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damaged the human body irreparably
This interview pulls no punches:
so the suicide is a myth it’s a total
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myth it’s misquoted it’s often quoted
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it’s used as a hammer
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to guilt parents into doing this and
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it’s it’s it’s criminal that someone
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gets away with that
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um so the two big lies are born
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in the wrong body and commit suicide if
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you don’t get what you want
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then the realities the real realities on
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the other side are
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you’ve probably taken somebody who might
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have been on the pathway
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developing same-sex attraction and you
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sidebar them out whether
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they might have been an adult who was
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gay or lesbian and had a
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happy life or a reasonably happy life
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without medical conditions induced by
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medicines and without mutilating their
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organs
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you can’t make a breast out of nothing
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you can give males estrogen and the
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breast tissue will grow
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but in females who have their breasts
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removed there’s no returning
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getting the tissue back once it’s
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amputated off the body
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when the penis is gone it’s gone you can
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you can take
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some vascular tissue and you can wrap it
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in skin and
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plastic surgeons are spending hours and
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hours training to make artificial
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penises to sew on the front of the
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of the area and the perineum for females
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to have something to hang between their
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legs
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creating scrota that they put artificial
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testicles in so that it hangs down
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and and calling that a functional sexual
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anatomy
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there’s nothing functional about it at
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all it never will function the way the
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normal anatomy will
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the vaginas that they create and create
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boring holes in the perineum
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and lining it with skin of the penis or
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wherever if there’s not
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not enough to do that for other skin or
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mucous membranes it has
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no ability to secrete the secretions it
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has no sensitivity sensation
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orgasms are not what you what you get
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there’s no normal sexual function
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the kids that come in early are dreaming
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that they’re going to turn their bodies
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into the opposite sex
“Since January, children in Washington state ages 13 and up can obtain confidential treatment for mental health conditions and gender dysphoria using their parent’s insurance plan—without their parents’ consent.
Now, the state is considering a bill to set up health clinics on middle and high school campuses. Parents fear these clinics will talk children into dangerous and irreversible medical treatments such as puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to make their bodies look more like the opposite sex.”
https://world.wng.org/content/washington_erasing_parents_from_the_equation
Abigail Shrier was recently interviewed by Ben Shapiro.
Like Diana Fleischman, I hadn’t appreciated this until Abigail Shrier mentioned it during her discussion with Ben Shapiro. A woman’s “high” from taking exogenous testosterone as part of her attempted transition to being a trans man could easily be confused for the feeling that one was was born in the wrong body and is now in the correct body.
https://twitter.com/sentientist/status/1333852408145915905
Today’s Tweet:
https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1378102761909231616
From Abigail Shrier’s Substack Website, an article titled “Inside Planned Parenthood’s Gender Factory: An Ex-Reproductive Health Assistant Speaks Out.”
Most interesting to me was the fact that, according to the employee, the girls would often arrive to the clinic with a group of friends. (For what other medical treatments do girls arrive with peer group in tow?) It smacked more of the gleeful trips teen girls once took to the mall for ear piercings than the sober medical treatment of a genuine mental health disorder.
What was the mood in the waiting room among these friends? “Super cheerful, giggly. It’s a fun thing,” she said, a touch of cynicism whetting her tone.
I asked her if she and the other nurses and reproductive health assistants didn’t think there was something suspicious about girls’ showing up in groups of friends for treatment—whether it didn’t cross the employees’ minds that peer influence might be at play. “It’s kind of one of those things where you just roll your eyes.” She told me. “The extent of our intervention” was to grant “their requests to start the hormone therapy.”
Librarians face censors who claim they are not censors:
https://www.halifaxexaminer.ca/featured/if-the-library-is-safe-for-transphobia-its-not-safe-for-trans-people/
May 2021 Presentation by Abigail Shrier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWbxIFC0Q2o
Dr. Erica Anderson (January, 2022), writing at the San Francisco Examiner:
https://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/are-we-seeing-a-phenomenon-of-trans-youth-social-contagion/