I am not sure what is more troubling – Palin dodging this question, or doing it sitting right next to John McCain. Anyone else think they see the realization that his campaign is hurtling over the bridge to nowhere flash over his face? Perhaps I am imagining things.
This is appalling. Blowing up abortion clinics does count as terrorism, Governor Palin. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hu1NeI4M1k[/youtube]
Oh gee, I guess I am not quite done. So tired of the hypocrisy that I have to share this, too.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLyTqVL4zDI&feature=related[/youtube]
And now another McCain association is revealed:
See here for the full article.
This just reported.
Can't believe the evidence myself.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=…
I can't believe it, either, since it's being reported by WND. Of course, they mention that the "evidence" is being held in secret, just as most of the "evidence" for their claims seems to be.
The definition of terrorism is just another one of those moving goalposts. If you commit violent acts to cause fear in people with the goal of making them behave according to your views of right and wrong, you're a terrorist. It doesn't matter whether there are people who perceive your beliefs as justified, you're still a terrorist by definition. So I guess Palin's answer shows that she supports terrorists, eh?
If there's any truth behind this Obama-is-an-illegal-alien idea, then this will be an interesting election, indeed!
Karl: took the bait, followed the link.
What evidence? There is none.
Urban legends that Obama is not a citizen have been circulating and evolving for several months, apparently. This is the latest version.
I'm as big a sucker for the narrative fallacy as anyone, but when the stakes are high you've really got to put the brakes on it. " I have a tape I'm going to release in a few days." Oh really? well, maybe I'll withhold my credence until then. As to the rest of the story, it's a tissue of innuendo that dissolves under the mildest scrutiny:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_t…
Last week, I received a forwarded email about John McCain, purportedly written by a professor at the local university, about her experience at a vacation resort where the McCains were also staying. I would have loved, really loved for it to be true, because it portrayed McCain as a sexist, racist, hot-tempered, baby-hating bully who picks on fat girls. But before I passed it on, I checked on snopes.com and found that the professor did not write the email, it originated with some other person, who claims she is in the process of verifying the claims made in the email. I informed the person who forwarded the email that it did not originate with this highly respected professor, and neither of us will be spreading that rumor any further. To spread smears based on innuendo is especially unethical in an election year, but I suspect "ethical" is not worldnet daily's highest priority.
Karl: The link shows that the person making these unfounded claims is welcome on the Talk Radio show of Michael Savage, which is a huge red flag, based on Savage's many blatant hate-filled tirades. http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/07/18/popul…
I didn't say there is anything true or false in the reference I sent, just that there needs to be resolution to this sticky question.
There appears to be a need for clarity in the situation which has not been given consistent unbiased consideration from any perspective thus far.
Obama won't discuss it and others appear to be trying to either cover for him or to just dismiss it as an irrelevent issue.
If it is true, the Supreme Court could very well be involved in clarifying who our next president we be. Not the kind of situation I would want to see again.
I red-flag nearly half of everything I hear, both hear and on Michael Savage.
PHILADELPHIA (AP) – A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama's qualifications to be president.
U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick on Friday night rejected the suit by attorney Philip J. Berg, who alleged that Obama was not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency. Berg claimed that Obama is either a citizen of his father's native Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia after he moved there as a boy.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081025/D941NCJG…
Ioana Uricaru writes:
Ms. Palin is aggressively ignorant and displays the kind of anti-intellectualism that fueled Cultural Revolutions all over the world – from China to Cambodia to my own country, where about one million "elitists" have been killed in prisons and labor camps.
But what is more worrisome is that forty percent of the American population isn't startled in disgust and they are still considering her for the vice-presidential position. It is their ignorance and disdain for the intellectual elites, their willingness to consider this Mao-PolPot-Stalin approach to policy that made Palinism possible. Sarah Palin is just speaking her mind. Clearly forty percent of Americans do not possess the basic knowledge and critical thinking abilities to call her on it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ioana-uricaru/the-p…
She's pallin' around with witch doctors. As Bill Maher argued, if Obama had been pallin' around with a witch doctor, this election would be over. But Palin has done it and the campaign goes on. And furthermore, Palin is horny for the end of the world, according to Maher, who thus doesn't trust Palin with our nuclear codes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIcnAt4fYTw&featur…
The judge in the case did not rule on any evidence or findings, only that the suit was a problem he didn't want to deal with. Someone else or another court was going to have to deal with the issue.
Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was "too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters."
Appeal is already underway to the Supreme Court.
http://obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/conten…
Karl: Are you suggesting that Obama's birth certificate was forged? Would has mother really has foreseen that he would someday try to run as President and therefore concocted a birth certificate in Hawaii 46 years ago? This suit seems utterly ridiculous. Wouldn't you think it was idiotic too, if the suit were about anyone other than Obama?
He doesn't possess a full birth certificate (i.e. the long form) from anywhere other than Kenya. That copy was once open to examination and scrutiny but has since been removed from public consideration.
On the apparent "certificate of live birth" that he uses to prove he is an American citizen there are a couple of inconsistencies as well.
Read some of the details and see if there isn't something that strikes you as odd.
He never had an American Passport until the Senate provided him with a diplomatic one.
Karl: This "fake birth certificate" dispute is totally bogus. Check out this article by factcheck.org, the one that Vicki Baker already provided.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_t…
Consider, also, that the source of these birth certificate allegations is Jerome Corsi, who has been repeatedly discredited. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi
Further, consider that other skeptics have decided that Obama is a U.S. citizen now that they've seen the evidence. But not you. Why aren't you exercising the same level of skepticism toward the issue of whether John McCain is a U.S. citizen? http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vi…
Karl, you are playing shell games with your skepticism thermostat. When it's Obama issues or scientific issues concerning human evolution, you are highly skeptical. When it is McCain or scientific issues other that those that pertain to human evolution, you turn the "thermostat" way down–you don't put issues to the same test when they are inconvenient to your world view.
Karl: Where did you read that Obama has a Kenyan birth certificate? Do you have proof he did not have a U.S. passport or that he never had a U.S. passport before he was in the U.S. Senate? If so, produce it, or else stop repeating scurrilous rumors and vague allegations of "inconsistencies."
Did you read the link provided where independent researchers examined the hard copy of Obama's birth certificate and disproved previous claims made that it lacked a seal and various other claims based on the scanned image available on the Internet?
Did your read the part where an official of the state of the Hawaii states that Obama's birth certificate is sufficient to prove U.S. citizenship?
Also, if you check out snopes.com and other sources, it's interesting how the rumor has morphed over time, like some anti-biotic resistant strain of fecal coliform bacteria. In this case, the antibiotic is evidence, but as each piece of innuendo is refuted, new strains of insinuation appear, rapidly propagating in the smelly but nutrient rich mix of fear and prejudice in the right's underbelly. First, the objection was that Obama's mother was too young to meet the requirements for her son to be a citizen, or that Hawaii was a territory, or some such. Then it was Obama's Indonesian stepfather, and now this practiced manure-spreader claims he has a smoking gun tape that proves Obama was born in Kenya. When the tape is not forthcoming in a few days as promised, something else will bob to the surface of the cesspool.
In case you can't tell, I'm a little bit disgusted. I guess I'm feeling a sense of unfairness, having foregone the pleasure of passing on the really juicy McCain gossip I mentioned in my previous comment. What if McCain wins because I didn't do everything I could to smear him? I guess I'll just have to have faith in my basic principle that the end doesn't justify the means.
These discussions are nearly all based upon interpretations of evidence. Skepticism means requiring proof that can not be questioned beyond a reasonable doubt.
Why did Obama not have an American Passport for all those years he was bouncing around as a child? Why were there recorded requests to alter the details on the certificate of life birth?
What level of overwhelming proof did you require before you would accept that Obama is a fully legal American citizen, if you investigated the matter for yourself?
John McCain would be glad to discuss his citzenship in any court in America. I dare say the same is not the case for Obama.
Why do we even question his citizenship? When have we questioned citizenship of our leaders before?
I mean, if he has been in this country for dozens of years, has been a US senator who has served in the manner for which he was elected, why is this an issue? (answer : To take the real issues of our day off the table).
And this is a very targeted attack : 1 ) say he is a non-citizen. 2) link him to terrorists. 3) say he 'is not like us', 4) say 'he doesn't see America as you and I see it' …. Now what do these lines all lead to? Just more of the same GOP scare tactics that worked in 2004…..
Hoepfully we learned from the last 4 years of what voting in fear does to a country.
This is some more info to consider:
The source states their bias towards conservatism, where as factcheck.com does not state their obvious bias.
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200810262351/editori…
Chris,
Arnold Scwarztneger can't become president because of this stipulation. I dont care what qualified candidate wins the election. There are only three stipulations for running for office of President of the United States. One can be a former felon and have served time in jail.
This issue is one of Constitutionality – either uphold the constitution or change it, but don't say the issue has no bearing. A former Hillary Clinton democratic supporter pushed the case in PA. Now there are suits filed in eight other states and the Supreme Court will probably need to hear the case, or any superior state court in America could swing the election between now and January.
Karl—if this were a real issue, Hillary Clinton's campaign would have jumped on more than a year ago. She would have trashed him had there been such a legitimate means of doing so. I know, I know, she's a Democrat, too, but she hung on for dear life almost unto the point of doing serious damage to the Party's chances of challenging the Republicans. This is on par with the grassy knoll, the missing minutes in Nixon's tapes, and the question of what Reagan knew and when he knew it.
In short, this is desperation of a Rovian nature.
Yes, Karl, the Annenberg Foundation (funder of factcheck.org) is deeply biased! The chair of its Board of Trustees, Leonore Annenberg, has publicly endorsed John McCain! They even accuse Obama of making false claims about McCain's medicare plan! You just can't trust 'em!
BTW, do you even know what the laws were about travelling on a parent's passport back in the day?
Please have the basic human decency to check facts before spreading rumors and malicious gossip. Seems to me Jesus had something to say on this topic.
The state of Hawaii has also confirmed the validity of Obama's birth certificate.
Then again, how American is Hawaii, really? Some of them Hawaiians sure talk and dress and look funny, not like you and me. And they're always trying to overcharge the non-locals. Can we trust them?
Erich, why is this crap relevant to the posts of McCain's ties to terrorists and deadly dictators? Maybe we need a policy to not allow preaching of unrelated drivel in response to posts.
Karl, it's time to get a life.
The rest of you, leave this far right wing weblog echochambering yobbo yapper alone to go back to his paranoid delusions.