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   Vicki Baker November 3, 2008 Reply

   Karl:

   I'm sorry if you feel abused or intimidated.

   Maybe I should have come out and said how angry it makes me when people repeat lies and falsehoods about a dedicated public servant. You may not be aware that you are lying, but when you repeat distortions like "10 states are demanding that he produce the goods" and other things that you cannot possibly know, like that Obama received a diplomatic passport on phony pretenses, etc, etc. you are bearing false witness.

   Also be aware please of how many people you are accusing of lying, including Obama's grandmother as she lay on her deathbed. Would you have repeated these distorted claims to her face?

   HONOLULU (AP) — State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

   Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

   Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

   She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

   Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the US.

   Earlier Friday, a southwest Ohio magistrate rejected a challenge to Obama's citizenship. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia recently dismissed similar suits.

   Add Connecticut to the list.

   Don't tell me your "values" cause you to interpret the data in a differently than me. By choosing to believe a scandalous online rag that is nothing more than an Obama attack machine, and various random bloggers with no stake in the veracity of their mindless garbage, over the state of Hawaii, you have put yourself beyond the pale of any legitimate value system.

   If your scandalous rumor-mongering adds to an atmosphere of hysteria that pushes some extremist over the edge into an assassination attempt, on your head be it. We saw this same type of hysteria in Clinton's first term. Right wing radio commentators accused Hillary Clinton of being a murderer and all sorts of nonsense, egging on conspiracy theorists and the militia movement. We saw where that path leads to on April 19, 1995. I will never forget picking up the morning paper to see this image I was 3 months pregnant at the time and the hormones in my brain allowed me to see the true horror of what I was seeing, free of the mental calluses that are usually in the way.

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   Vicki Baker November 3, 2008 Reply

   McCain supporters:

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fieGfc6DL7k

   The "Born in Kenya" canard interspersed with call to "Bomb Obama!", "Get rid of him" (miming shooting)

   In case you thought I was making things up.

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   Karl November 4, 2008 Reply

   There are extremists on all sides of important issues.

   I used the term states improperly – people in these states were filing similar law suits. Fortunately the one filed in Hawaii is making prgress.

   Andy Martin has made some actual calm objective headway.

   http://www.rightsidenews.com/200811012436/editori…

   It has revealed the existence of a COLB that is possibly not the one that has been circulating on the internet.

   I don't agree with how Berg went about the task of his investigations. I also don't agree with how Obama has kept his past a closed book as though he might have something to hide that might influence the election.

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   Mark Tiedemann November 4, 2008 Reply

   I keep hearing echoes of Whitewater in all this…and how many multiple millions did Ken Starr spend of our money only to find nothing there?

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   Vicki Baker November 4, 2008 Reply

   For anyone who may be interested, Andy Martin, alias Anthony Martin-Trigona, is the one who started the initial whisper campaign that Obama is secretly a Muslim and that he attended a Wahabbist masrasseh. This charge was repudiated by John McCain, and Martin himself has retracted it in favor of a new groundless attack.

   Martin is apparently a prodigous filer of lawsuits with history of vicious anti-Semitic remarks.

   A 1993 court ruling found that:

   Martin-Trigona is known to have filed over 250 civil actions, appeals, and other matters throughout the United States, which have been pursued with "persistence, viciousness, and general disregard for decency and logic." He has used legal pleadings to ventilate his contempt and hatred of persons of Jewish heritage and to level accusations which "have often been personal, have often emphasized racial or religious affiliations, and have often involved the members of … judges' and counsel's families." The purpose, nature and effect of his resort to multiple litigation has been to involve as many persons in as many confounding legal processes as possible.

   The NY Times reported on October 12 that:

   The CBS News program "48 Hours" in 1993 devoted an hourlong program, "See You in Court; Civil War, Anthony Martin Clogs Legal System with Frivolous Lawsuits," to what it called his prolific filings. (Mr. Martin has also been known as Anthony Martin-Trigona.) He has filed so many lawsuits that a judge barred him from doing so in any federal court without preliminary approval.

   He prepared to run as a Democrat for Congress in Connecticut, where paperwork for one of his campaign committees listed as one purpose “to exterminate Jew power.” He ran as a Republican for the Florida State Senate and the United States Senate in Illinois. When running for president in 1999, he aired a television advertisement in New Hampshire that accused George W. Bush of using cocaine.

   In the 1990s, Mr. Martin was jailed in a case in Florida involving a physical altercation.

   I'm going to try not to waste any more time on this. I can't afford it, and our country can't afford these poisonous whisper campaigns. If Obama is elected and his party has the majority in Congress, a sane, thoughtful principled opposition will be welcome. But not insane rumor campaigns and conspiracy theories.