<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" > <channel> <title> Comments on: Makeup is the new girdle. </title> <atom:link href="https://dangerousintersection.org/2011/05/16/makeup-is-the-new-girdle/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2011/05/16/makeup-is-the-new-girdle/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=makeup-is-the-new-girdle&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=makeup-is-the-new-girdle</link> <description>Human Animals at the Crossroads of Science, Religion, Media and Culture</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 11:32:51 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod> hourly </sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency> 1 </sy:updateFrequency> <item> <title> By: Erika Price </title> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2011/05/16/makeup-is-the-new-girdle/comment-page-1/#comment-85231</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Erika Price]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 11:32:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=17890#comment-85231</guid> <description><![CDATA[Erich: Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I think no-makeup looks 'better' on most people, too. The actresses in your last link look fantastic- fresh-faced and natural. Bare faces have much more 'character',I think. And I'm so glad you mentioned Jane Goodall! I just did a cursory Google image search and was <a href="" rel="nofollow">reminded of what a fox she was (and is). </a> She still looks beautiful now! I really appreciate that she can look so lovely without fussing much over her appearance- I even like casual beauty of her white and gray hair in its signature ponytail (though hair is another long discussion for another day). ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erich: Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I think no-makeup looks 'better' on most people, too. The actresses in your last link look fantastic- fresh-faced and natural. Bare faces have much more 'character',I think.</p> <p>And I'm so glad you mentioned Jane Goodall! I just did a cursory Google image search and was <a href="" rel="nofollow">reminded of what a fox she was (and is). </a> She still looks beautiful now! I really appreciate that she can look so lovely without fussing much over her appearance- I even like casual beauty of her white and gray hair in its signature ponytail (though hair is another long discussion for another day). </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Erich Vieth </title> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2011/05/16/makeup-is-the-new-girdle/comment-page-1/#comment-85111</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Erich Vieth]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 00:06:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=17890#comment-85111</guid> <description><![CDATA[Erika: I much enjoyed your observations. Over the years I've gotten to know several women who engage in an extended (more than 30 min) morning make-up session who have come to trust me enough that they would allow me to see what they look like without the makeup. I have always been staggered to see that I've always preferred the no-makeup version. I don't claim to speak for all men; I know guys who insist that women always look "better" when they use some makeup and they "use it well." I do wonder how much of that "preference" for makeup has been ground into our psyches by advertisements and tradition, however. You just don't see any ads on TV saying "You look great the way you are, without any makeup" or "You look concocted when you slather makeup on your beautiful natural skin." You're correct that many business-people are increasingly avoiding formal dress at work. I work as a lawyer, and my firm is informal (meaning no need for a suit or even a sport coat or a tie) every day that you don't need to go to court. You WILL need these things in court, however, at least most courts. I have seen judges scold attorneys for failing to wear a suit and tie, threatening to have them thrown out of the courtroom as a matter of "respect." You article points to the elephant in the room. To the extent that cosmetics are heavily advertised, they are sending a message that women are imperfect and shameful to the extent that they are not plastered over with chemicals. I'm waiting for the day when I see commercials (using Billy Joel's "Just the Way You Are" as a soundtrack) urging that there is no need for makeup (or high heels or fancy clothing) and featuring some famous spokeswomen such as "The Virgin Mary," and Jane Goodall, who (I'll confess) looked mighty fetching in photos taken out in the jungle, where I assume that there she didn't wear makeup. <a href="http://www.wildchimpanzees.org/media/photo_gallery_jpg/goodall_26.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.wildchimpanzees.org/media/photo_galler...</a> Here's one other thing to watch out for. Some sites "catch" celebrities without makeup, and hold up those photos to compare to their photos where they did wear makeup. Beware that many of these makeup-less photos were taken in less than ideal lighting, whereas the makeup photos are often taken in better lit circumstances. I'll end by providing a link to various covers of Elle featuring beautiful women without makeup. <a href="http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/yay-french-elles-amazing-no-makeup-issue-and-why-american-mags-need-to-step-it-up-446538" rel="nofollow">http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/yay-french-...</a> ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika: I much enjoyed your observations. Over the years I've gotten to know several women who engage in an extended (more than 30 min) morning make-up session who have come to trust me enough that they would allow me to see what they look like without the makeup. I have always been staggered to see that I've always preferred the no-makeup version. I don't claim to speak for all men; I know guys who insist that women always look "better" when they use some makeup and they "use it well." </p> <p>I do wonder how much of that "preference" for makeup has been ground into our psyches by advertisements and tradition, however. You just don't see any ads on TV saying "You look great the way you are, without any makeup" or "You look concocted when you slather makeup on your beautiful natural skin." </p> <p>You're correct that many business-people are increasingly avoiding formal dress at work. I work as a lawyer, and my firm is informal (meaning no need for a suit or even a sport coat or a tie) every day that you don't need to go to court. You WILL need these things in court, however, at least most courts. I have seen judges scold attorneys for failing to wear a suit and tie, threatening to have them thrown out of the courtroom as a matter of "respect." </p> <p>You article points to the elephant in the room. To the extent that cosmetics are heavily advertised, they are sending a message that women are imperfect and shameful to the extent that they are not plastered over with chemicals. I'm waiting for the day when I see commercials (using Billy Joel's "Just the Way You Are" as a soundtrack) urging that there is no need for makeup (or high heels or fancy clothing) and featuring some famous spokeswomen such as "The Virgin Mary," and Jane Goodall, who (I'll confess) looked mighty fetching in photos taken out in the jungle, where I assume that there she didn't wear makeup. <a href="http://www.wildchimpanzees.org/media/photo_gallery_jpg/goodall_26.jpg" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.wildchimpanzees.org/media/photo_galler" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wildchimpanzees.org/media/photo_galler</a>… </p> <p>Here's one other thing to watch out for. Some sites "catch" celebrities without makeup, and hold up those photos to compare to their photos where they did wear makeup. Beware that many of these makeup-less photos were taken in less than ideal lighting, whereas the makeup photos are often taken in better lit circumstances. I'll end by providing a link to various covers of Elle featuring beautiful women without makeup. <a href="http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/yay-french-elles-amazing-no-makeup-issue-and-why-american-mags-need-to-step-it-up-446538" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/yay-french-" rel="nofollow ugc">http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/beauty/yay-french-</a>… </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Ben </title> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2011/05/16/makeup-is-the-new-girdle/comment-page-1/#comment-84699</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 18:39:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=17890#comment-84699</guid> <description><![CDATA[I think that make-up, while being a time waster if used every day, does actually help a woman attract attention. The question is whether that is the kind of attention she wants. After we met, I asked my girlfriend to wear less make up, that she was beautiful without it, the irony being that I might never have noticed her if she hadn't been wearing it. She was talented at it, but it still took about 30 minutes every day. Then there is the workplace, women are often "expected" to be feminine looking, not really fair. ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that make-up, while being a time waster if used every day, does actually help a woman attract attention. The question is whether that is the kind of attention she wants. After we met, I asked my girlfriend to wear less make up, that she was beautiful without it, the irony being that I might never have noticed her if she hadn't been wearing it. She was talented at it, but it still took about 30 minutes every day.</p> <p>Then there is the workplace, women are often "expected" to be feminine looking, not really fair. </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Erika Price </title> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2011/05/16/makeup-is-the-new-girdle/comment-page-1/#comment-84689</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Erika Price]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 11:10:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=17890#comment-84689</guid> <description><![CDATA[That's a good point, projekt. Makeup serves two main purposes: concealment of flaws, which I focused on, but also ornamentation. Jewelry isn't going anywhere, so decorative eyeliner and shadow and the like will probably persist too. But fancy, decorative makeup is not worn daily or considered mandatory- like nice jewelry, it's something you don for special occasions. I think a basic daily makeup regimen is on the way out, while fun "special occasion" makeup will probably continue. Thanks for raising that distinction. Brynn: Also a great point, and a good big-picture reason for people to root for makeup's obsolescence. There's also the microenvironmental and ethical effects of makeup: most cosmetic products are still tested on animals. I support animal testing to determine the safety of medical products, but a new shade or blush doesn't seem worth the torture of thousands of rabbits and mice. ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's a good point, projekt. Makeup serves two main purposes: concealment of flaws, which I focused on, but also ornamentation. Jewelry isn't going anywhere, so decorative eyeliner and shadow and the like will probably persist too. But fancy, decorative makeup is not worn daily or considered mandatory- like nice jewelry, it's something you don for special occasions. I think a basic daily makeup regimen is on the way out, while fun "special occasion" makeup will probably continue. Thanks for raising that distinction.</p> <p>Brynn: Also a great point, and a good big-picture reason for people to root for makeup's obsolescence. There's also the microenvironmental and ethical effects of makeup: most cosmetic products are still tested on animals. I support animal testing to determine the safety of medical products, but a new shade or blush doesn't seem worth the torture of thousands of rabbits and mice. </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Brynn Jacobs </title> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2011/05/16/makeup-is-the-new-girdle/comment-page-1/#comment-84687</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Brynn Jacobs]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=17890#comment-84687</guid> <description><![CDATA[Erika: Kudos on ditching the unnecessary makeup regimen. I think it makes for good psychological health, as you note. Increasingly, we are learning that it also makes for better physical health. Erich has pointed to the <a href="http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/#" rel="nofollow">Environmental Working Group's database</a> on potentially dangerous chemicals that are included with cosmetics, and a recent (admittedly unscientific) <a href="http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/306788" rel="nofollow">report from Canada</a> found alarming levels of heavy metals and other toxins in makeup. ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika:</p> <p>Kudos on ditching the unnecessary makeup regimen. I think it makes for good psychological health, as you note. Increasingly, we are learning that it also makes for better physical health. Erich has pointed to the <a href="http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/#" rel="nofollow">Environmental Working Group's database</a> on potentially dangerous chemicals that are included with cosmetics, and a recent (admittedly unscientific) <a href="http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/306788" rel="nofollow">report from Canada</a> found alarming levels of heavy metals and other toxins in makeup. </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>