<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" > <channel> <title> Comments on: Jesus and the Wise Men of Osirus </title> <atom:link href="https://dangerousintersection.org/2008/12/03/jesus-and-the-wise-men-of-osirus/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2008/12/03/jesus-and-the-wise-men-of-osirus/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=jesus-and-the-wise-men-of-osirus&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=jesus-and-the-wise-men-of-osirus</link> <description>Human Animals at the Crossroads of Science, Religion, Media and Culture</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:04:29 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod> hourly </sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency> 1 </sy:updateFrequency> <item> <title> By: projektleiterin </title> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2008/12/03/jesus-and-the-wise-men-of-osirus/comment-page-1/#comment-31306</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[projektleiterin]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:04:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=3739#comment-31306</guid> <description><![CDATA[When in school I once took an astronomy class. I think we had one or two lessons and then it stopped. Supposedly our teacher had developed an obsession with a student (if I remember it right it was the sister of one the other students. Supposedly he even spied on her house...). Since the class was just an optional subject that was offered to students on a voluntary basis that was the end of my venture into the universe. I still don't know how to find the polestar... ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When in school I once took an astronomy class. I think we had one or two lessons and then it stopped. Supposedly our teacher had developed an obsession with a student (if I remember it right it was the sister of one the other students. Supposedly he even spied on her house…). Since the class was just an optional subject that was offered to students on a voluntary basis that was the end of my venture into the universe. I still don't know how to find the polestar… </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Karl </title> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2008/12/03/jesus-and-the-wise-men-of-osirus/comment-page-1/#comment-31291</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:57:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=3739#comment-31291</guid> <description><![CDATA[Did you read that I said the star (more likely a conjunction of planets) was first recognized or observed (located at dawn) in the Constellation Leo. Leo would have indicated the house of Judah to the wisemen of the east. They didn't trace the longitude or lattitude, they knew where Judah was, the star clued them in as to where to go. Coincidentally, the star appeared to move towards them as they travelled from the east. It appeared to go on ahead of them towards the same location. The original conjunction could very well have appeared to the south of the chief star in Leo, this would have told the wise men to look to the south of Jerusalem. When they arrived in Jerusalem and paid their respects to Herod, they obtained a more direct fix on Bethlehem by the direction of the conjunction when night first arrived which was then actually in Virgo but which was now in line with Bethlehem as night first arrived. Jupiter then stopped going going east and seemed to stand still, before it headed back towards the west a few days later. Constellations and conjugations of planets both move across the sky so they could never directly point to any specific location on the earth's surface. Their appearances at dawn were more important than their appearances at twilight, but any specific location could have a specific interpretation if one was trying to arrive at the same location that the conjunction was also headed. The ancient science of astrology was a very fascinating mix of astronomy and the inter-relationships between nations and fate/predestination. Different nations had slightly different ways of interpreting what the messages in the stars meant, but they all had a common root that probably went back to before the flood. There are references in the Bible (both Old and New) to several constellations and even specific stars as the chief stars in specific constellations that held importance for specific nations or specific world rulers. ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you read that I said the star (more likely a conjunction of planets) was first recognized or observed (located at dawn) in the Constellation Leo. Leo would have indicated the house of Judah to the wisemen of the east. They didn't trace the longitude or lattitude, they knew where Judah was, the star clued them in as to where to go. Coincidentally, the star appeared to move towards them as they travelled from the east. It appeared to go on ahead of them towards the same location. The original conjunction could very well have appeared to the south of the chief star in Leo, this would have told the wise men to look to the south of Jerusalem.</p> <p>When they arrived in Jerusalem and paid their respects to Herod, they obtained a more direct fix on Bethlehem by the direction of the conjunction when night first arrived which was then actually in Virgo but which was now in line with Bethlehem as night first arrived. Jupiter then stopped going going east and seemed to stand still, before it headed back towards the west a few days later.</p> <p>Constellations and conjugations of planets both move across the sky so they could never directly point to any specific location on the earth's surface. Their appearances at dawn were more important than their appearances at twilight, but any specific location could have a specific interpretation if one was trying to arrive at the same location that the conjunction was also headed.</p> <p>The ancient science of astrology was a very fascinating mix of astronomy and the inter-relationships between nations and fate/predestination. Different nations had slightly different ways of interpreting what the messages in the stars meant, but they all had a common root that probably went back to before the flood. There are references in the Bible (both Old and New) to several constellations and even specific stars as the chief stars in specific constellations that held importance for specific nations or specific world rulers. </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Vicki Baker </title> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2008/12/03/jesus-and-the-wise-men-of-osirus/comment-page-1/#comment-31289</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Vicki Baker]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:40:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=3739#comment-31289</guid> <description><![CDATA[To think that the biblical Star of Bethlehem must be based on something "real" is to misunderstand the nature of folklore (which is also not the same thing as fiction). ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To think that the biblical Star of Bethlehem must be based on something "real" is to misunderstand the nature of folklore (which is also not the same thing as fiction). </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: grumpypilgrim </title> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2008/12/03/jesus-and-the-wise-men-of-osirus/comment-page-1/#comment-31282</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[grumpypilgrim]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:06:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=3739#comment-31282</guid> <description><![CDATA[Various people disputed my assertion that the Magi could not possibly have used the stars to navigate to Jesus' birthplace. Haven't you people ever heard of the longitude problem? The knowledge of how to accurately navigate by celestial navigation was not figured out until more than seventeen centuries after the birth of Jesus, and even then it required the invention of timekeeping technology that did not previously exist. Accordingly, at the time of Jesus birth, neither the Magi, nor anyone else on this planet, could have used the stars to navigate to Jesus' birthplace. As regards Mark's comment about Polynesian navigation, indeed, ocean crossings apparently did occur, but these required far less navigational skill than the Magi would have needed to find the manger. For example, even if longitude cannot be determined, latitude can be followed at sea relatively easily and, in fact, this is probably how early mariners made their crossings -- by simply following a line of latitude until they hit something. In fact, that's how European mariners found and settled North America. Another skill early mariners had was the fact that bird traffic and flotsam tend to increase significantly when one is near an island, even if the island is well over the horizon. Using that knowledge, early mariners found many islands, even though they could not use quantitative navigation to do so. ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Various people disputed my assertion that the Magi could not possibly have used the stars to navigate to Jesus' birthplace.</p> <p>Haven't you people ever heard of the longitude problem? The knowledge of how to accurately navigate by celestial navigation was not figured out until more than seventeen centuries after the birth of Jesus, and even then it required the invention of timekeeping technology that did not previously exist. Accordingly, at the time of Jesus birth, neither the Magi, nor anyone else on this planet, could have used the stars to navigate to Jesus' birthplace.</p> <p>As regards Mark's comment about Polynesian navigation, indeed, ocean crossings apparently did occur, but these required far less navigational skill than the Magi would have needed to find the manger. For example, even if longitude cannot be determined, latitude can be followed at sea relatively easily and, in fact, this is probably how early mariners made their crossings — by simply following a line of latitude until they hit something. In fact, that's how European mariners found and settled North America. Another skill early mariners had was the fact that bird traffic and flotsam tend to increase significantly when one is near an island, even if the island is well over the horizon. Using that knowledge, early mariners found many islands, even though they could not use quantitative navigation to do so. </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item> <title> By: Karl </title> <link>https://dangerousintersection.org/2008/12/03/jesus-and-the-wise-men-of-osirus/comment-page-1/#comment-31279</link> <dc:creator><![CDATA[Karl]]></dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:12:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=3739#comment-31279</guid> <description><![CDATA[I'm sorry, Should I remove hope and try to be less altruistic and settle for someother approach to life? Please show me why and how I should limit myself to having less hope. ]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm sorry, Should I remove hope and try to be less altruistic and settle for someother approach to life?</p> <p>Please show me why and how I should limit myself to having less hope. </p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>