Jordan Peterson discusses the challenge of identifying the psychopaths on the Left and on the Right. He claims that the main thing these two groups have in common is not their ideas, such as wokeness.  It is their psychopathology. I created a transcript of this conversation below:

Jordan Peterson 0:02

I think that virtualization has enabled the psychopaths. Without a doubt, yeah, well, without a doubt, that's a terrible thing, because the psychopathic types, they're always the death of everything, like I'm seeing this come up on the right now. So imagine, imagine this. I've been working on a new, a new theory of political psychopathology, and I like it quite a lot. Is this

Joe Rogan 0:24

where the term the woke, right comes in?

Jordan Peterson 0:26

Yeah, well, Lindsay is pointing at that, but he hasn't got, he hasn't got the diagnosis exactly right? So it isn't woke. That's not the issue. It's not exactly,

Joe Rogan 0:36

I think one level talking about is like similar types of behavior

Jordan Peterson 0:40

he is talking about that, yeah, no,

Joe Rogan 0:42

woke just lets you clarify in your head. Oh, it's like that,

Jordan Peterson 0:46

yeah. But the problem is,

Joe Rogan 0:47

It's like, Antifa,

Jordan Peterson 0:48

Yeah, absolutely. But the problem is, is that that argument is predicated on the claim that the ideas are the problem, like the woke ideas, for example, on the right or the left. But that's not the problem. The problem is that four to 5% of the population, something like that is Cluster B, that's the DSM five terms, histrionic, narcissistic, anti social, psychopathic, and they have dark tetrad traits. They're Machiavellian, they're sadistic. That's about 4% okay, so the question is, how do these people maneuver? And the answer is, they go to where the power is and they adopt those ideas, and they put themselves even on the forefront of that.But the ideas are completely irrelevant, right? All they're doing is, they're the Pharisees. They're the modern version of the Pharisees. They're the people who use God's name in vain, right, as they proclaim moral virtue. Doesn't matter whether it's right or left or Christian or Jewish or Islam. They invade the idea space, and then they use those ideas as false weapons to advance their narcissistic advantage. And so then you have the problem, and the right is going to face this more and more particularly because the left had to face it when they were in powers.

Yes.

How do you identify the psychopathic parasites? 4% of the population who are clothed in your clothing and waving your flags, but who are only in it for narcissistic benefit.