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		<title>Comment on The beliefs of Scientologists by Niklaus Pfirsig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niklaus Pfirsig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've never read any of Hubbard's books, but I have seen the movie version of "Battlefield Earth" with John Travolta as the lead villain. 
 If the film was anywhere true to the story, (and I suspect is was), it wasn't bad in the beginning. It started off by setting up mankind being treated as semi-intelligent beasts of burden by an occupying alien army. Much of the story focused on the political games played between the aliens. 
  But somewhere in the middle, the story began to fizzle. It was as if Hubbard got bored with his story, or maybe never really planned for the story to have an ending, and pasted a sloppy and hokey ending on just to finish it up.
  Okay, I can accept the idea of an alien race having long-range teleporters, because they are such a well accepted plot device in a lot of scifi stories. I'm fine with the idea that the master's underestimation of the intelligence of their slaves ultimately leads to their downfall. I can even accept (though it is a stretch) that the aliens home world can be destroyed by a single bomb causing a chain reaction in the atmosphere. 
  But I draw the line at the idea that people who have never had any education can become proficient at flying jet aircraft in a matter of days. Or the the aircraft stored in the bunker would be actually flyable after decades of neglect. Or that any jet fuel would not have turned into a viscous gummy ooze during that time, rendering it useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never read any of Hubbard&#8217;s books, but I have seen the movie version of &#8220;Battlefield Earth&#8221; with John Travolta as the lead villain.<br />
 If the film was anywhere true to the story, (and I suspect is was), it wasn&#8217;t bad in the beginning. It started off by setting up mankind being treated as semi-intelligent beasts of burden by an occupying alien army. Much of the story focused on the political games played between the aliens.<br />
  But somewhere in the middle, the story began to fizzle. It was as if Hubbard got bored with his story, or maybe never really planned for the story to have an ending, and pasted a sloppy and hokey ending on just to finish it up.<br />
  Okay, I can accept the idea of an alien race having long-range teleporters, because they are such a well accepted plot device in a lot of scifi stories. I&#8217;m fine with the idea that the master&#8217;s underestimation of the intelligence of their slaves ultimately leads to their downfall. I can even accept (though it is a stretch) that the aliens home world can be destroyed by a single bomb causing a chain reaction in the atmosphere.<br />
  But I draw the line at the idea that people who have never had any education can become proficient at flying jet aircraft in a matter of days. Or the the aircraft stored in the bunker would be actually flyable after decades of neglect. Or that any jet fuel would not have turned into a viscous gummy ooze during that time, rendering it useless.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The beliefs of Scientologists by Mark Tiedemann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Tiedemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

This is probably a matter of taste, but that Hubbard was "engaging page turners, light burners, wage earners. They show a keen grasp of storytelling" is hardly the same as saying he was a good writer---the same can be said of Dan Brown and I think he's little better than a hack.

Hubbard was, however, popular in the 30s and part of the 40s, at one time one of the Big Three---Asimov, Heinlein, Hubbard.  Hubbard lost his place first to Van Vogt (whose career was later wrecked because Van Vogt fell into Hubbard's Dianetics orbit) and then, depending on which year, Sturgeon and Clarke.

But, yeah, I agree with his slippery grasp of science and its distinctions, which is why it always amazed me that Campbell put up with him.  But then Campbell allowed him to use Astounding SF as the springboard for Dianetics because, Campbell claimed, Hubbard had cured his sinusitis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>This is probably a matter of taste, but that Hubbard was &#8220;engaging page turners, light burners, wage earners. They show a keen grasp of storytelling&#8221; is hardly the same as saying he was a good writer&#8212;the same can be said of Dan Brown and I think he&#8217;s little better than a hack.</p>
<p>Hubbard was, however, popular in the 30s and part of the 40s, at one time one of the Big Three&#8212;Asimov, Heinlein, Hubbard.  Hubbard lost his place first to Van Vogt (whose career was later wrecked because Van Vogt fell into Hubbard&#8217;s Dianetics orbit) and then, depending on which year, Sturgeon and Clarke.</p>
<p>But, yeah, I agree with his slippery grasp of science and its distinctions, which is why it always amazed me that Campbell put up with him.  But then Campbell allowed him to use Astounding SF as the springboard for Dianetics because, Campbell claimed, Hubbard had cured his sinusitis.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The beliefs of Scientologists by Dan Klarmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with Mark about L Ron Hubbard's quality of writing. His stories are all engaging page turners, light burners, wage earners. They show a keen grasp of storytelling.
 
They also show a near total ignorance of science and math, and only the faintest grasp of the distinction between magic and technology.

In fact, his instinct for storytelling is probably why he was deemed unfit for independent action during his stint in military intelligence: He couldn't tell observation from his imagination in the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with Mark about L Ron Hubbard&#8217;s quality of writing. His stories are all engaging page turners, light burners, wage earners. They show a keen grasp of storytelling.</p>
<p>They also show a near total ignorance of science and math, and only the faintest grasp of the distinction between magic and technology.</p>
<p>In fact, his instinct for storytelling is probably why he was deemed unfit for independent action during his stint in military intelligence: He couldn&#8217;t tell observation from his imagination in the real world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who created hell and why? by Dan Klarmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev. Claude needs to read some actual history. The diameter of the Earth was known (within a few percent) hundreds of years before Jesus. This knowledge was not lost to navigators or intellectuals, even if the uneducated public might have missed it. After all, the Bible itself misleads on this point: &lt;a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/02/13/inerrant-biblical-geology-falls-flat/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Inerrant Biblical Geology Falls Flat&lt;/a&gt;

The Bible is a good blend of allegory and myth. That locations mentioned in it actually existed is as amazing as there being a city on the north eastern coast of America that strongly resembles Metropolis, as documented by DC Comics. This is not proof of Lois Lane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev. Claude needs to read some actual history. The diameter of the Earth was known (within a few percent) hundreds of years before Jesus. This knowledge was not lost to navigators or intellectuals, even if the uneducated public might have missed it. After all, the Bible itself misleads on this point: <a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/02/13/inerrant-biblical-geology-falls-flat/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Inerrant Biblical Geology Falls Flat</a></p>
<p>The Bible is a good blend of allegory and myth. That locations mentioned in it actually existed is as amazing as there being a city on the north eastern coast of America that strongly resembles Metropolis, as documented by DC Comics. This is not proof of Lois Lane.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who created hell and why? by Mark Tiedemann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Tiedemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rev,

Just because Atlanta is depicted in "Gone With The Wind" and there was something called the Civil War, does that change that book from fiction to history?

Also, people in ancient Greece knew the world is round, hundreds of years B.C.E.  People here and there, from time to time, have lost that knowledge and regained it, usually because someone in authority found it useful to teach that view to them.  (Hm, I wonder why?)

Just because the archaeology of Jerusalem, Jericho, and so forth has verified the existence and much of the history of such places is no reason to accept the mythic confabulations of the authors of the Pentateuch with regards to creation---no more than the actual existence of Troy proves that Zeus, Poseidon, Apollo, and Athena were real.

And trust me on this, Reverend---I understand the bible.  I've simply come to a different conclusion than you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev,</p>
<p>Just because Atlanta is depicted in &#8220;Gone With The Wind&#8221; and there was something called the Civil War, does that change that book from fiction to history?</p>
<p>Also, people in ancient Greece knew the world is round, hundreds of years B.C.E.  People here and there, from time to time, have lost that knowledge and regained it, usually because someone in authority found it useful to teach that view to them.  (Hm, I wonder why?)</p>
<p>Just because the archaeology of Jerusalem, Jericho, and so forth has verified the existence and much of the history of such places is no reason to accept the mythic confabulations of the authors of the Pentateuch with regards to creation&#8212;no more than the actual existence of Troy proves that Zeus, Poseidon, Apollo, and Athena were real.</p>
<p>And trust me on this, Reverend&#8212;I understand the bible.  I&#8217;ve simply come to a different conclusion than you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elizabeth Warren:  Nothing much has changed by Erich Vieth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul:  If Congress had given Elizabeth Warren the power to issue subpoenas and enforce them, I might agree with you that she is "partially culpable."  But they've tied her hands.   Further, it has become increasingly clear that there was not any accounting method in place when the money was doled out.  None of this is Ms. Warren's fault.  

Give her real power to knock heads and get to the bottom of this, and I have confidence that she would get the job done more than anyone on Wall Street would want to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:  If Congress had given Elizabeth Warren the power to issue subpoenas and enforce them, I might agree with you that she is &#8220;partially culpable.&#8221;  But they&#8217;ve tied her hands.   Further, it has become increasingly clear that there was not any accounting method in place when the money was doled out.  None of this is Ms. Warren&#8217;s fault.  </p>
<p>Give her real power to knock heads and get to the bottom of this, and I have confidence that she would get the job done more than anyone on Wall Street would want to think about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who created hell and why? by Rev. Claude Bordeleau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Claude Bordeleau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark...Just because you don't believe or understand the good book, doesn't mean it's fiction. 

A couple of 100 years ago people believed the world was flat, and to say the world was round was considered fiction.

Every cities or civilizations mentioned in the good book have been documented to have existed exactly where it said it did. But also, artifacts and ruins have been found to reinforce what the good book says. Is that call fiction?

"A man was driving down a country road then was pulled over by the police. The man ask, why he was pulled over. The officer said that he was speeding. The man said he saw no speed sign. The officer told him that some weeds was covering the sign. The officer gave the ticket and left.

The man was mad. He decided to fight the ticket in court. When that day came, he gave the judge his argument. The judge said to the man, Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

In other word the judge was simply tell him that just because didn't see the sign doesn't mean its not there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark&#8230;Just because you don&#8217;t believe or understand the good book, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s fiction. </p>
<p>A couple of 100 years ago people believed the world was flat, and to say the world was round was considered fiction.</p>
<p>Every cities or civilizations mentioned in the good book have been documented to have existed exactly where it said it did. But also, artifacts and ruins have been found to reinforce what the good book says. Is that call fiction?</p>
<p>&#8220;A man was driving down a country road then was pulled over by the police. The man ask, why he was pulled over. The officer said that he was speeding. The man said he saw no speed sign. The officer told him that some weeds was covering the sign. The officer gave the ticket and left.</p>
<p>The man was mad. He decided to fight the ticket in court. When that day came, he gave the judge his argument. The judge said to the man, Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.</p>
<p>In other word the judge was simply tell him that just because didn&#8217;t see the sign doesn&#8217;t mean its not there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elizabeth Warren:  Nothing much has changed by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Warren has been an entertaining figure to see interviewed, and she appears very competent.  When, though, will be begin accepting responsibility for her job?  It is great to go around the country talking about how you don't know where the money is, and getting a good laugh from the crowd.  But... umm..... isn't it her job to figure this stuff out?

Honeymoon is over, Ms. Warren.  If you don't know where the money is, you are partially culpable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Warren has been an entertaining figure to see interviewed, and she appears very competent.  When, though, will be begin accepting responsibility for her job?  It is great to go around the country talking about how you don&#8217;t know where the money is, and getting a good laugh from the crowd.  But&#8230; umm&#8230;.. isn&#8217;t it her job to figure this stuff out?</p>
<p>Honeymoon is over, Ms. Warren.  If you don&#8217;t know where the money is, you are partially culpable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Court reporters and multitasking by NIklaus Pfirsig</title>
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		<dc:creator>NIklaus Pfirsig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erich, 
  Much recognition software employs an artificial intelligence programming technique known as a neural net simulation. 
  Neural net simulations run many parallel sub-programs, called nodes, that independently analyze the input and produce a list of possible results. Each node starts with a different list of possible results. Each node votes on which item seems more likely to be the result and percentage of nodes voting for the most popular result. The percentage is the compared to a preset percentage called the confidence threshold level. if the percentage is below the preset confidence threshold level, each node's list is adjusted to favor the more popular result and the input is rerun back through the analysis. This repeats until the confidence threshold level is attained or the voting percentage percentage no longer changes. The actual confidence level score is the ratio of results that meet or exceed the preset confidence threshold level out of all the results processed.

  So  basically the software can be 99 percent confident that you are saying "hair" when you are really saying "hare". 

Back in the 90's I worked with a commercial AI system that read handwritten applications and output test for used in a database system. The system used a 300 MHz cpu that interfaced to a high performance document scanner and a second 300 MHz PC that hosted a custom hardware neural net simulator designed around 4 intel 860 processors (the 860 cpu was a 64-bit high performance pipelined RISC processor, often touted as the "Cray on a chip"). Ten years later, any mid-range PC could do more than the $8000 co-processor board was able to do.

  The AI system achieved about 98 percent accuracy with confidence levels set at around 85. Some of the problem handwriting was difficult for our editing staff to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erich,<br />
  Much recognition software employs an artificial intelligence programming technique known as a neural net simulation.<br />
  Neural net simulations run many parallel sub-programs, called nodes, that independently analyze the input and produce a list of possible results. Each node starts with a different list of possible results. Each node votes on which item seems more likely to be the result and percentage of nodes voting for the most popular result. The percentage is the compared to a preset percentage called the confidence threshold level. if the percentage is below the preset confidence threshold level, each node&#8217;s list is adjusted to favor the more popular result and the input is rerun back through the analysis. This repeats until the confidence threshold level is attained or the voting percentage percentage no longer changes. The actual confidence level score is the ratio of results that meet or exceed the preset confidence threshold level out of all the results processed.</p>
<p>  So  basically the software can be 99 percent confident that you are saying &#8220;hair&#8221; when you are really saying &#8220;hare&#8221;. </p>
<p>Back in the 90&#8217;s I worked with a commercial AI system that read handwritten applications and output test for used in a database system. The system used a 300 MHz cpu that interfaced to a high performance document scanner and a second 300 MHz PC that hosted a custom hardware neural net simulator designed around 4 intel 860 processors (the 860 cpu was a 64-bit high performance pipelined RISC processor, often touted as the &#8220;Cray on a chip&#8221;). Ten years later, any mid-range PC could do more than the $8000 co-processor board was able to do.</p>
<p>  The AI system achieved about 98 percent accuracy with confidence levels set at around 85. Some of the problem handwriting was difficult for our editing staff to read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The beliefs of Scientologists by Niklaus Pfirsig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niklaus Pfirsig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one thing I found scary was the mega-dosing on niacin. 

  B vitamins have long been used in detoxification programs for drug and alcohol abuse. Niacin has several effects in moderate to high doses. It temporarily increased blood flow throughout the body, has an anti-inflammatory effect, and in many people causes a "flush", a prickly heat sensation that can range from barely noticeable to intensely painful. However very large doses can perforate ulcers, leading to death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one thing I found scary was the mega-dosing on niacin. </p>
<p>  B vitamins have long been used in detoxification programs for drug and alcohol abuse. Niacin has several effects in moderate to high doses. It temporarily increased blood flow throughout the body, has an anti-inflammatory effect, and in many people causes a &#8220;flush&#8221;, a prickly heat sensation that can range from barely noticeable to intensely painful. However very large doses can perforate ulcers, leading to death.</p>
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