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	<title>Comments on: Catholic Answers: don&#8217;t even lie in the same bed . . .</title>
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	<description>Human Animals at the Crossroads of Culture, Science, Religion and Media</description>
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		<title>By: Mindy Carney</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/06/28/catholic-answers-dont-even-lie-in-the-same-bed/comment-page-2/#comment-45478</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your example of your daughters is perfect, Danny - that is what children do.  You give them a flat-out specific rule, and they immediately look for ways to flaunt its breakability without breaking it.  You give specifics to a a teenager, and they can find 500 shades of gray to get around it in the first 5 minutes.  It IS human nature, and it is something that maturity helps moderate and manage.  Unfortunately, when children are forced into the black and white rules and not allowed to find their own gray areas, they often never learn how to do that safely.  

And church-as-parenting sometimes leave the flock in the same boat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your example of your daughters is perfect, Danny - that is what children do.  You give them a flat-out specific rule, and they immediately look for ways to flaunt its breakability without breaking it.  You give specifics to a a teenager, and they can find 500 shades of gray to get around it in the first 5 minutes.  It IS human nature, and it is something that maturity helps moderate and manage.  Unfortunately, when children are forced into the black and white rules and not allowed to find their own gray areas, they often never learn how to do that safely.  </p>
<p>And church-as-parenting sometimes leave the flock in the same boat.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ask my daughters to eat and drink only in the kitchen where there's linoleum because I want to avoid spills on our carpet. What do they do? They like to stand with their heels in the kitchen and toes in the living room. Why? Don't know why, easy answer is human nature. But this is the same principle... whenever religion tries to give black and whites it sets up the scenario where people do whatever they want right up to these boundary lines. I'm sure God can see right through the teenager's religious gesture the same that I can see through my daughter's rule-sidestepping.

People that don't care what God wants or the Bible says use these religious legalities as a way to do as much as they can while still appeasing their consciences and perhaps their peers, it really has nothing to do with God or Christianity/Catholicism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ask my daughters to eat and drink only in the kitchen where there&#8217;s linoleum because I want to avoid spills on our carpet. What do they do? They like to stand with their heels in the kitchen and toes in the living room. Why? Don&#8217;t know why, easy answer is human nature. But this is the same principle&#8230; whenever religion tries to give black and whites it sets up the scenario where people do whatever they want right up to these boundary lines. I&#8217;m sure God can see right through the teenager&#8217;s religious gesture the same that I can see through my daughter&#8217;s rule-sidestepping.</p>
<p>People that don&#8217;t care what God wants or the Bible says use these religious legalities as a way to do as much as they can while still appeasing their consciences and perhaps their peers, it really has nothing to do with God or Christianity/Catholicism.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no! Two adults lying bed bed together who aren't married???? That's just terrible to the church!  Priests MOLESTING LITTLE BOYS, THOUGH...... that's perfectly alright!!!!  F--k the Catholic Church! They are no arbitor of morality!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no! Two adults lying bed bed together who aren&#8217;t married???? That&#8217;s just terrible to the church!  Priests MOLESTING LITTLE BOYS, THOUGH&#8230;&#8230; that&#8217;s perfectly alright!!!!  F&#8211;k the Catholic Church! They are no arbitor of morality!</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy Carney</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/06/28/catholic-answers-dont-even-lie-in-the-same-bed/comment-page-1/#comment-44742</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niklaus makes great points.  Think about the extremes we go to (myself included) not to let any of our animal "stench" show to the outside world - beyond soap and mouthwash and deodorant to perfumes, colognes, body splashes, scented lotions, creams, lip balms and hair products, floral douches and flavored condoms . . . God forbid we'd just smell like . . . us.  

No, no!  That's far too . . . earthy and animalistic.  Now granted, most of us can tolerate only a slight level of human musk before it becomes offensive, but we've conditioned ourselves to tolerate less and less of it; as a rule, we work to eliminate even the faintest hint of our own animal Perhaps this is why some of us can't tell who we're attracted to until it's too late, and we realize it isn't the one we're married to? . . . oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niklaus makes great points.  Think about the extremes we go to (myself included) not to let any of our animal &#8220;stench&#8221; show to the outside world - beyond soap and mouthwash and deodorant to perfumes, colognes, body splashes, scented lotions, creams, lip balms and hair products, floral douches and flavored condoms . . . God forbid we&#8217;d just smell like . . . us.  </p>
<p>No, no!  That&#8217;s far too . . . earthy and animalistic.  Now granted, most of us can tolerate only a slight level of human musk before it becomes offensive, but we&#8217;ve conditioned ourselves to tolerate less and less of it; as a rule, we work to eliminate even the faintest hint of our own animal Perhaps this is why some of us can&#8217;t tell who we&#8217;re attracted to until it&#8217;s too late, and we realize it isn&#8217;t the one we&#8217;re married to? . . . oops.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tiedemann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Tiedemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niklaus,

Difficult and absurd.  One has to wonder how much harm has been caused in this world due to the tortured self loathing of the human animal writhing under the faith-based dictum that his erection or her lubrication are obscene, filthy, and sinful.  A lot of people apparently grow up and get over it---or manage to use the ritual "purification" you mention as an escape hatch---but you gotta wonder about all those who never did, ala the Wild Man in Huxley's  "Brave New World."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niklaus,</p>
<p>Difficult and absurd.  One has to wonder how much harm has been caused in this world due to the tortured self loathing of the human animal writhing under the faith-based dictum that his erection or her lubrication are obscene, filthy, and sinful.  A lot of people apparently grow up and get over it&#8212;or manage to use the ritual &#8220;purification&#8221; you mention as an escape hatch&#8212;but you gotta wonder about all those who never did, ala the Wild Man in Huxley&#8217;s  &#8220;Brave New World.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NIklaus Pfirsig</title>
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		<dc:creator>NIklaus Pfirsig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely Star Trek mode.

  Over the centuries, it seem the Catholic Church, with it missionary work taking Christianity to the "unenlightened around the world, sort of borged everything up on the way. In many cases, the teachings f the missionaries were combined with the local beliefs and resulted in  religions like Santeria, Voodoo, and Obeah. Much of the Catholic dogma delegated the "heathen gods" to positions of leadership among Satan's minions, but much of the ceremonial aspects remain.
 The traditional Wedding ceremony contains non Christian rituals (throwing rice, flowers, the white wedding gown) as do the ceremonies and traditions of Easter and Christmas. 
 Troughout the practice of Christianity there seems to be an obsession with denying the animal nature of mankind. It seems that all animalistic traits are considered evil. Animalistic traits which we can't deny are "sanitized" through ritual or practiced in private. 
So...
 Reproduction is sanitized through the ritual of marriage, but actual procreation is a necessary evil and must be hidden away. Genetalia are also evil (as are breasts ) and must be kept hidden.
 Eating and drinking are somewhat ritualized in a social setting, and elimation of bodily wastes are kept private.
 It sends a subliminal message to the faithful that the body is evil because of it's animalist attributes and to transcend the animal on must control the animal within, which is very difficult where the sex drive is involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely Star Trek mode.</p>
<p>  Over the centuries, it seem the Catholic Church, with it missionary work taking Christianity to the &#8220;unenlightened around the world, sort of borged everything up on the way. In many cases, the teachings f the missionaries were combined with the local beliefs and resulted in  religions like Santeria, Voodoo, and Obeah. Much of the Catholic dogma delegated the &#8220;heathen gods&#8221; to positions of leadership among Satan&#8217;s minions, but much of the ceremonial aspects remain.<br />
 The traditional Wedding ceremony contains non Christian rituals (throwing rice, flowers, the white wedding gown) as do the ceremonies and traditions of Easter and Christmas.<br />
 Troughout the practice of Christianity there seems to be an obsession with denying the animal nature of mankind. It seems that all animalistic traits are considered evil. Animalistic traits which we can&#8217;t deny are &#8220;sanitized&#8221; through ritual or practiced in private.<br />
So&#8230;<br />
 Reproduction is sanitized through the ritual of marriage, but actual procreation is a necessary evil and must be hidden away. Genetalia are also evil (as are breasts ) and must be kept hidden.<br />
 Eating and drinking are somewhat ritualized in a social setting, and elimation of bodily wastes are kept private.<br />
 It sends a subliminal message to the faithful that the body is evil because of it&#8217;s animalist attributes and to transcend the animal on must control the animal within, which is very difficult where the sex drive is involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much the Star Trek modus operandi :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much the Star Trek modus operandi <img src='http://dangerousintersection.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Niklaus Pfirsig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niklaus Pfirsig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read "A Wrinkle in Time" many years ago. Great and imaginative story. 

 Hank a tesseract is to a cube what a cube is to a square. A square is a segment of a plane bounded by 4 line segments. a cube is a space bounded by 6 squares. A tesseract then would be a hyperspace bounded by 8 cubes. 

The problem with 4-dimensional geometry is that it is difficult people to visualize. Even though the math does not give any indication of the existence of 4th dimensional shortcuts across 3-d space, It has been used as a convienent plot device in many sci-fi stories as a method of faster than light travel.

 Navigating a tesseract literally requires thinking outside the box where familiar rules may not apply in the usual ways. However when some people think outside the box, they assume none of the rules apply and feel obligated to freely invent their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read &#8220;A Wrinkle in Time&#8221; many years ago. Great and imaginative story. </p>
<p> Hank a tesseract is to a cube what a cube is to a square. A square is a segment of a plane bounded by 4 line segments. a cube is a space bounded by 6 squares. A tesseract then would be a hyperspace bounded by 8 cubes. </p>
<p>The problem with 4-dimensional geometry is that it is difficult people to visualize. Even though the math does not give any indication of the existence of 4th dimensional shortcuts across 3-d space, It has been used as a convienent plot device in many sci-fi stories as a method of faster than light travel.</p>
<p> Navigating a tesseract literally requires thinking outside the box where familiar rules may not apply in the usual ways. However when some people think outside the box, they assume none of the rules apply and feel obligated to freely invent their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tiedemann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Tiedemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mindy Carney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I know is the tessaract caused a lot of trouble in &lt;em&gt;A Wrinkle in Time&lt;/em&gt;.  And it has to do with math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is the tessaract caused a lot of trouble in <em>A Wrinkle in Time</em>.  And it has to do with math.</p>
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