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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/06/17/scientology-101/comment-page-1/#comment-45284</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stacy:  I think you're right about the secrecy with Scientology.  If they are not willing to simply put their beliefs on the table to be freely judged, it raises many red flags.  

Here's another distinction, though.  The ends justify the means, at least to an extent.   I don't believe in pregnant virgins, resurrections or infallible Popes, but it is clear that many Catholics take the teachings of the Catholic church to boil down to a message that they need to be involved in their community with good works that are not necessarily aimed at helping ONLY members of their church.   Same thing with many other established churches.   Many Christians take those teachings that perplex me and interpret them to mean that they need to act with kindness.   They even have a requirement to love their enemy (even though Robert Wright demonstrates that this passage was added by a scribe long after the original gospel manuscripts were written).

Where is Scientology's version of love your enemy?    To the extent that Scientology stresses community outreach, I'm not convinced that it has communicated that duty to outsiders.  Instead, it seems to be a practice geared to one's own satisfaction.  In this way, it reminds me of many versions of new age religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacy:  I think you&#8217;re right about the secrecy with Scientology.  If they are not willing to simply put their beliefs on the table to be freely judged, it raises many red flags.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another distinction, though.  The ends justify the means, at least to an extent.   I don&#8217;t believe in pregnant virgins, resurrections or infallible Popes, but it is clear that many Catholics take the teachings of the Catholic church to boil down to a message that they need to be involved in their community with good works that are not necessarily aimed at helping ONLY members of their church.   Same thing with many other established churches.   Many Christians take those teachings that perplex me and interpret them to mean that they need to act with kindness.   They even have a requirement to love their enemy (even though Robert Wright demonstrates that this passage was added by a scribe long after the original gospel manuscripts were written).</p>
<p>Where is Scientology&#8217;s version of love your enemy?    To the extent that Scientology stresses community outreach, I&#8217;m not convinced that it has communicated that duty to outsiders.  Instead, it seems to be a practice geared to one&#8217;s own satisfaction.  In this way, it reminds me of many versions of new age religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/06/17/scientology-101/comment-page-1/#comment-45159</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacy Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erich, I know a lot of atheists have asked Coyne's question.  It's a good one; but I have to say that, yes, on the whole I do respect Judaism, Christianity, and Islam more.  That's not to say that I respect everything about those religions--I emphatically don't--

--But I think it's apparent that humans evolved to respect authority and tradition.  We're all familiar with the problems that that respect can cause, particularly when it's unquestioning.  Nevertheless, it's a part of us, and it has its good side.

So when I look at the "Big Three", I see religions that began and flourished for years in a time when everybody's view of the world was mythological and magical, and have been passed down ever since.  Being old, they have that cultural and psychological imprimatur.  Mind you, I am not saying that because they're old they're right, or anything like that.  I'm just saying that they originated back in a day when their claims would've seemed more plausible, and it's normal and human for people to imagine that there must be something to them (and according to evolutionary theory, there probably is--not in their theological claims, but in their social effects.)

And we have centuries' worth of theologians who've tried to make sense of the world within the framework of those doctrines.  Some of them even had worthwhile things to say.  I'm rather fond of Paul, myself (with Elaine Pagels, I think the misogyny attributed to him is based on forgeries).  Someone like Simone Weil, a Jew who was attracted to Catholicism, used Christian theology to arrive at some startling and meaningful insights.

But in Scientology, we have a new religion, started by a pulp writer who (according to multiple witnesses) made a comment on more than one occasion something like this:  If you want to make real money, you start a religion.  He then dreamed up a theology saturated with sci fi motifs and implausible pop psychology.

Furthermore, the Big Three religions contain few esoteric teachings.  They don't hide their beliefs; if you ask them (and, in the case of the evangelicals, even if you don't) they're all too willing to tell you all about it.

Scientology is secretive; even within the cult, as we've both noted.  And they rely on stealth to keep their members in line and critics at bay.  I doubt that without that stealth they'd have lasted as long as they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erich, I know a lot of atheists have asked Coyne&#8217;s question.  It&#8217;s a good one; but I have to say that, yes, on the whole I do respect Judaism, Christianity, and Islam more.  That&#8217;s not to say that I respect everything about those religions&#8211;I emphatically don&#8217;t&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8211;But I think it&#8217;s apparent that humans evolved to respect authority and tradition.  We&#8217;re all familiar with the problems that that respect can cause, particularly when it&#8217;s unquestioning.  Nevertheless, it&#8217;s a part of us, and it has its good side.</p>
<p>So when I look at the &#8220;Big Three&#8221;, I see religions that began and flourished for years in a time when everybody&#8217;s view of the world was mythological and magical, and have been passed down ever since.  Being old, they have that cultural and psychological imprimatur.  Mind you, I am not saying that because they&#8217;re old they&#8217;re right, or anything like that.  I&#8217;m just saying that they originated back in a day when their claims would&#8217;ve seemed more plausible, and it&#8217;s normal and human for people to imagine that there must be something to them (and according to evolutionary theory, there probably is&#8211;not in their theological claims, but in their social effects.)</p>
<p>And we have centuries&#8217; worth of theologians who&#8217;ve tried to make sense of the world within the framework of those doctrines.  Some of them even had worthwhile things to say.  I&#8217;m rather fond of Paul, myself (with Elaine Pagels, I think the misogyny attributed to him is based on forgeries).  Someone like Simone Weil, a Jew who was attracted to Catholicism, used Christian theology to arrive at some startling and meaningful insights.</p>
<p>But in Scientology, we have a new religion, started by a pulp writer who (according to multiple witnesses) made a comment on more than one occasion something like this:  If you want to make real money, you start a religion.  He then dreamed up a theology saturated with sci fi motifs and implausible pop psychology.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the Big Three religions contain few esoteric teachings.  They don&#8217;t hide their beliefs; if you ask them (and, in the case of the evangelicals, even if you don&#8217;t) they&#8217;re all too willing to tell you all about it.</p>
<p>Scientology is secretive; even within the cult, as we&#8217;ve both noted.  And they rely on stealth to keep their members in line and critics at bay.  I doubt that without that stealth they&#8217;d have lasted as long as they have.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/06/17/scientology-101/comment-page-1/#comment-45071</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story of Xenu is covered in OT III, part of Scientology’s secret “Advanced Technology” doctrines taught only to advanced members who have undergone many expensive hours of auditing and reached the state of Clear.  It is described in more detail in the accompanying confidential “Assists” lecture of October 3, 1968 and is dramatized in Revolt in the Stars (a screenplay written by L. Ron Hubbard in 1977).

Jerry Coyne, on "Which theology should we respect?"
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/which-theology-should-we-respect/

Coyne then asks this question:


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[A]m I supposed to respect this view?  Do you?  If you respect  the theologies of Catholicism, Judaism, or Islam more, or give their adherents more credibility than you do Scientologists, why?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story of Xenu is covered in OT III, part of Scientology’s secret “Advanced Technology” doctrines taught only to advanced members who have undergone many expensive hours of auditing and reached the state of Clear.  It is described in more detail in the accompanying confidential “Assists” lecture of October 3, 1968 and is dramatized in Revolt in the Stars (a screenplay written by L. Ron Hubbard in 1977).</p>
<p>Jerry Coyne, on &#8220;Which theology should we respect?&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/which-theology-should-we-respect/" rel="nofollow">http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/which-theology-should-we-respect/</a></p>
<p>Coyne then asks this question:</p>
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[A]m I supposed to respect this view?  Do you?  If you respect  the theologies of Catholicism, Judaism, or Islam more, or give their adherents more credibility than you do Scientologists, why?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/06/17/scientology-101/comment-page-1/#comment-43195</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the St. Petersburg Times, there are new unseemly tales to be told about scientology:



&lt;blockquote&gt;The leader of the Church of Scientology struck his subordinates numerous times and set an example for physical violence among the tightly controlled religion's management team, four former high-ranking executives told a newspaper for a story published Sunday.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/22/church-of-scientology-lea_n_218795.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the St. Petersburg Times, there are new unseemly tales to be told about scientology:</p>
<blockquote><p>The leader of the Church of Scientology struck his subordinates numerous times and set an example for physical violence among the tightly controlled religion&#8217;s management team, four former high-ranking executives told a newspaper for a story published Sunday.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/22/church-of-scientology-lea_n_218795.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/22/church-of-scientology-lea_n_218795.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lynne</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/06/17/scientology-101/comment-page-1/#comment-42698</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting and funny, Stacy! Ya can't make this stuff up, eh?

It's ironic that there are two ads  for Scientology at the top of the web page here. Why does Google Ads accept ads from them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting and funny, Stacy! Ya can&#8217;t make this stuff up, eh?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that there are two ads  for Scientology at the top of the web page here. Why does Google Ads accept ads from them?</p>
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		<title>By: AnonLover</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/06/17/scientology-101/comment-page-1/#comment-42619</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonLover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! Thanks for your support, but you might want to carefully configure your google adwords to block scientology related ads, the cult is known to lodge complaints against critical sites &amp; blogs where their ads show up and get the site owners google advertising accounts canned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! Thanks for your support, but you might want to carefully configure your google adwords to block scientology related ads, the cult is known to lodge complaints against critical sites &amp; blogs where their ads show up and get the site owners google advertising accounts canned.</p>
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		<title>By: G Allen</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/06/17/scientology-101/comment-page-1/#comment-42618</link>
		<dc:creator>G Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for writing this. I live in the epicenter of Scientology, Clearwater Florida and I can tell you, they mean business! After driving away anyone in public office who opposed them they have created a virtual no mans-land in the downtown area. Every road in or is monitored by their cameras, they have guards who show up if someone simply takes a camera out of their pocket and they call the police for nonsense to the point where the police have stopped paying much attention to them.

I attended the first Anon protest as an observer and they immediate tried to slap my with a bunch of nonsensical legal junk. The local judges were wise to them and thankfully  their motions to restrict myself and about fifty other people in this area from visiting Downtown Clearwter failed. 

There is saying in the critical community about Scientology, "it's worse than you imagine" I say "Scientology is worse than you can imagine."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this. I live in the epicenter of Scientology, Clearwater Florida and I can tell you, they mean business! After driving away anyone in public office who opposed them they have created a virtual no mans-land in the downtown area. Every road in or is monitored by their cameras, they have guards who show up if someone simply takes a camera out of their pocket and they call the police for nonsense to the point where the police have stopped paying much attention to them.</p>
<p>I attended the first Anon protest as an observer and they immediate tried to slap my with a bunch of nonsensical legal junk. The local judges were wise to them and thankfully  their motions to restrict myself and about fifty other people in this area from visiting Downtown Clearwter failed. </p>
<p>There is saying in the critical community about Scientology, &#8220;it&#8217;s worse than you imagine&#8221; I say &#8220;Scientology is worse than you can imagine.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tiedemann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/06/17/scientology-101/comment-page-1/#comment-42615</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Tiedemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many ways, Scientology is very like Mormonism---even the interstellar connection (god lives on a planet called Kolob).  You can find some more in a big fat pseudo-religious book called The Book of Urantia, as well.  

The "test" they administer to potential converts is actually a thematic aperception test in disguise, which can provide a lot of psychological buttons for them to push---which is one reason they denounce mainstream psychiatry.

Beyond that, though, it's just...bullshit.

But clearly that has never stopped people from believing in a thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways, Scientology is very like Mormonism&#8212;even the interstellar connection (god lives on a planet called Kolob).  You can find some more in a big fat pseudo-religious book called The Book of Urantia, as well.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;test&#8221; they administer to potential converts is actually a thematic aperception test in disguise, which can provide a lot of psychological buttons for them to push&#8212;which is one reason they denounce mainstream psychiatry.</p>
<p>Beyond that, though, it&#8217;s just&#8230;bullshit.</p>
<p>But clearly that has never stopped people from believing in a thing.</p>
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		<title>By: anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very nice overview Stacy..well done

The many front groups of scientology are of primary concern to me: Narconon (not to be confused with the legit Narcotics Anonymous), Crimonon, Applied Scholastics, Youth for Human Rights International to name just a few. Constant vigilance is necessary to prevent those organizations from popping up in YOUR neighbourhood.

Here's an example from Vancouver BC:

http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/reportcard/archive/2008/06/11/scientologists-invited-to-school-assembly.aspx

It behooves government agencies to thoroughly research organizations they fund and allow into our schools. Teaching our educational leaders how to Google might help.

Thanks Stacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very nice overview Stacy..well done</p>
<p>The many front groups of scientology are of primary concern to me: Narconon (not to be confused with the legit Narcotics Anonymous), Crimonon, Applied Scholastics, Youth for Human Rights International to name just a few. Constant vigilance is necessary to prevent those organizations from popping up in YOUR neighbourhood.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example from Vancouver BC:</p>
<p><a href="http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/reportcard/archive/2008/06/11/scientologists-invited-to-school-assembly.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/reportcard/archive/2008/06/11/scientologists-invited-to-school-assembly.aspx</a></p>
<p>It behooves government agencies to thoroughly research organizations they fund and allow into our schools. Teaching our educational leaders how to Google might help.</p>
<p>Thanks Stacy.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said and well researched. I hope you keep up the good work and continue participating through your writing. (And please join us again for more fun)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said and well researched. I hope you keep up the good work and continue participating through your writing. (And please join us again for more fun)</p>
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