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	<title>Comments on: Bank Regulator William K. Black: The best way to rob a bank is to own one.</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 23:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've argued with "gold IS money" types before. Mostly, they were Young Earthers who deny all history and pre-history prior to the founding of cities mentioned in the Bible. In that book, gold is mentioned as valuable, and therefore must have intrinsic value.

Gold was just a curiosity until urban society created a wealthy class that could afford to prize such pretties. It wasn't functionally useful for anything, until well into the bronze age they found that it retards corrosion, and the electronic age needed an extremely malleable material of high electrical conductivity. In meso-America at the time of the European invasion, gold was still considered less valuable than textiles or jade.

Asimov (I think) once suggested making money from Uranium, as a means to encourage spending. Spare change (he proposed tongue-in-cheekishly) would literally burn a hole in your pocket. Big piles would be dangerous, and therefore banks and other misers would rather lend than hoard.

Money is just a symbol of effort, or desire, or energy. 

I'd like to see money based on kilowatt-hours, rather than on a mass of some commodity such as pepper, tulips, or gold (all once "gold standards").

Kilowatt-hours don't degrade, can't be forged, and won't go out of style. They are stored in conversion media like fossil fuels, acre-feet-of-water (dams), hydrogen, etc. 

A kilowatt-hour standard would also have the effect of stabilizing energy prices. A gallon of gas (petrol/heptane) is (can produce) approximately 33 KwH (depending on the blend). How volatile would the price at the pump be if the dollar were locked to $0.10/KwH (about a current summer daytime electrical rate). Notice that this is $3.30/gallon. If you are paying less, then you are getting free energy.

But I digress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve argued with &#8220;gold IS money&#8221; types before. Mostly, they were Young Earthers who deny all history and pre-history prior to the founding of cities mentioned in the Bible. In that book, gold is mentioned as valuable, and therefore must have intrinsic value.</p>
<p>Gold was just a curiosity until urban society created a wealthy class that could afford to prize such pretties. It wasn&#8217;t functionally useful for anything, until well into the bronze age they found that it retards corrosion, and the electronic age needed an extremely malleable material of high electrical conductivity. In meso-America at the time of the European invasion, gold was still considered less valuable than textiles or jade.</p>
<p>Asimov (I think) once suggested making money from Uranium, as a means to encourage spending. Spare change (he proposed tongue-in-cheekishly) would literally burn a hole in your pocket. Big piles would be dangerous, and therefore banks and other misers would rather lend than hoard.</p>
<p>Money is just a symbol of effort, or desire, or energy. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see money based on kilowatt-hours, rather than on a mass of some commodity such as pepper, tulips, or gold (all once &#8220;gold standards&#8221;).</p>
<p>Kilowatt-hours don&#8217;t degrade, can&#8217;t be forged, and won&#8217;t go out of style. They are stored in conversion media like fossil fuels, acre-feet-of-water (dams), hydrogen, etc. </p>
<p>A kilowatt-hour standard would also have the effect of stabilizing energy prices. A gallon of gas (petrol/heptane) is (can produce) approximately 33 KwH (depending on the blend). How volatile would the price at the pump be if the dollar were locked to $0.10/KwH (about a current summer daytime electrical rate). Notice that this is $3.30/gallon. If you are paying less, then you are getting free energy.</p>
<p>But I digress.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Coyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah - we have a libertarian 'gold standard' wonk on board.

Noone - elucidate me on how you could enforce a gold standard?  When gold was 'rare' it worked (somewhat) as a standard. Gold is not 'rare' any more, and cannot really act as a standard bearer, unless you wish to give mining companies the power that central banks currently hold.  gold is not simply currency - it is a useful commodity (go look at nanotech, at electronics fabrication, at medicine, at catalysts).  How would you differentiate between these uses?  Your money supply problem would be insanely complex and challenging.

think again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah - we have a libertarian &#8216;gold standard&#8217; wonk on board.</p>
<p>Noone - elucidate me on how you could enforce a gold standard?  When gold was &#8216;rare&#8217; it worked (somewhat) as a standard. Gold is not &#8216;rare&#8217; any more, and cannot really act as a standard bearer, unless you wish to give mining companies the power that central banks currently hold.  gold is not simply currency - it is a useful commodity (go look at nanotech, at electronics fabrication, at medicine, at catalysts).  How would you differentiate between these uses?  Your money supply problem would be insanely complex and challenging.</p>
<p>think again.</p>
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		<title>By: noone</title>
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		<dc:creator>noone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrary of what people are made to believe, we can do without phantom money and banks with the exception of money transfer and safekeeping services.
What the world does need is honest money nobody can fool around with. People’s money: Gold and silver. Hard assets that can be standardized and checked electronically at public facilities for purity and weight.
All the robber barons should be put behind bars. The Central Banks, the IMF and World Bank, the BIS abolished. All banks and financial institutions expropriated. All stolen assets confiscated and either returned to their rightful owners or the proceeds re-directed to cover the nation’s expenses for many years to come to the benefit of the tax-payer. Financial laws should be re-written and financial crime made part of common crime. All debts should be cancelled and Debt declared illegal. Like physical slavery was abolished so should debt slavery.
Opportunity and temptation to crime should be reduced to a minimum. Transparency should be brought into the affairs of man. Bearer shares abolished and only shares on individual names allowed. Then the world will see who holds the ultimate reigns of power! Markets should be transparent and freely accessible on the web. Short selling, options, futures, and derivatives should be abolished. The Basic Fraud Underlying Banking &amp; Fiat Money - Hans Schicht</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary of what people are made to believe, we can do without phantom money and banks with the exception of money transfer and safekeeping services.<br />
What the world does need is honest money nobody can fool around with. People’s money: Gold and silver. Hard assets that can be standardized and checked electronically at public facilities for purity and weight.<br />
All the robber barons should be put behind bars. The Central Banks, the IMF and World Bank, the BIS abolished. All banks and financial institutions expropriated. All stolen assets confiscated and either returned to their rightful owners or the proceeds re-directed to cover the nation’s expenses for many years to come to the benefit of the tax-payer. Financial laws should be re-written and financial crime made part of common crime. All debts should be cancelled and Debt declared illegal. Like physical slavery was abolished so should debt slavery.<br />
Opportunity and temptation to crime should be reduced to a minimum. Transparency should be brought into the affairs of man. Bearer shares abolished and only shares on individual names allowed. Then the world will see who holds the ultimate reigns of power! Markets should be transparent and freely accessible on the web. Short selling, options, futures, and derivatives should be abolished. The Basic Fraud Underlying Banking &amp; Fiat Money - Hans Schicht</p>
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		<title>By: noone</title>
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		<dc:creator>noone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of the WORLD GOVERNMENTS to rule the Empire, ... The man that controls THE WORLDS MONEY supply controls the WORLD and i care not who writes the laws. And I control the money supply."
--Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild (1777-1836)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of the WORLD GOVERNMENTS to rule the Empire, &#8230; The man that controls THE WORLDS MONEY supply controls the WORLD and i care not who writes the laws. And I control the money supply.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild (1777-1836)</p>
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		<title>By: noone</title>
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		<dc:creator>noone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frederick C. Howe       “These are the rules of big business. They have superseded the teachings of our parents and are reducible to a simple maxim:Get a monopoly; let Society work for you; and remember that the best of all business is politics, for a legislative grant, franchise, subsidy or tax exemption is worth more than a Kimberly or Comstock lode, since it does not require any labor, either mental or physical, for its exploitation.” Confessions of a Monopolist (1906)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick C. Howe       “These are the rules of big business. They have superseded the teachings of our parents and are reducible to a simple maxim:Get a monopoly; let Society work for you; and remember that the best of all business is politics, for a legislative grant, franchise, subsidy or tax exemption is worth more than a Kimberly or Comstock lode, since it does not require any labor, either mental or physical, for its exploitation.” Confessions of a Monopolist (1906)</p>
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		<title>By: How to really reform the SEC &#124; Dangerous Intersection</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to really reform the SEC &#124; Dangerous Intersection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like we know that Tim Geithner will never turn hard against Wall Street to clean up the corruption (see here for more details on Geithner).   Truly, years of actions speak much more loudly than months of words for both [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like we know that Tim Geithner will never turn hard against Wall Street to clean up the corruption (see here for more details on Geithner).   Truly, years of actions speak much more loudly than months of words for both [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph Stiglitz is pessimistic, &lt;a href="http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=ahnPchOxZMh8&amp;refer=home" rel="nofollow"&gt;as reported by Bloomberg&lt;/a&gt;: 



&lt;blockquote&gt;The Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, isn’t large enough to recapitalize the banking system, and the administration hasn’t been direct in addressing that shortfall, he said. Stiglitz said there are conflicts of interest at the White House because some of Obama’s advisers have close ties to Wall Street.

“We don’t have enough money, they don’t want to go back to Congress, and they don’t want to do it in an open way and they don’t want to get control” of the banks, a set of constraints that will guarantee failure, Stiglitz said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph Stiglitz is pessimistic, <a href="http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=ahnPchOxZMh8&#038;refer=home" rel="nofollow">as reported by Bloomberg</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>The Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, isn’t large enough to recapitalize the banking system, and the administration hasn’t been direct in addressing that shortfall, he said. Stiglitz said there are conflicts of interest at the White House because some of Obama’s advisers have close ties to Wall Street.</p>
<p>“We don’t have enough money, they don’t want to go back to Congress, and they don’t want to do it in an open way and they don’t want to get control” of the banks, a set of constraints that will guarantee failure, Stiglitz said.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2009/04/06/bank-regulator-william-k-black-the-best-way-to-rob-a-bank-is-to-own-one/comment-page-1/#comment-38485</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, &lt;a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aS89AaGjOplw&amp;refer=home" rel="nofollow"&gt;where are you putting that $2 trillion?&lt;/a&gt;



&lt;blockquote&gt;U.S. taxpayers need to know the risks behind the Federal Reserve’s $2 trillion in lending to financial institutions because the public is now an “involuntary investor” in the nation’s banks, according to a court filing by Bloomberg LP. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=aS89AaGjOplw&#038;refer=home" rel="nofollow">where are you putting that $2 trillion?</a></p>
<blockquote><p>U.S. taxpayers need to know the risks behind the Federal Reserve’s $2 trillion in lending to financial institutions because the public is now an “involuntary investor” in the nation’s banks, according to a court filing by Bloomberg LP. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-phillips/the-tricky-2009-politics_b_174887.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Kevin Phillips&lt;/a&gt; on the Obama economic plan:



&lt;blockquote&gt;The Obama financial program -- the rest of his agenda, remember, will almost certainly depend on his retooling failed finance -- shows hints of a flawed combination. Its first weakness, in both policy and retention of prior government officials, involves an appearance of extending the mismanagement and pro-Wall Street bias of the 2008 Bush regime bailout. Its second Achilles heel, rather than representing the hopes and demands for change from the Democratic Party's grassroots and net roots, involves re-enlisting and banking on the big names of the Clinton administration's regulatory and bubble-managing failures of the late 1990s, especially former treasury secretary Larry Summers and many proteges of former treasury secretary Bob Rubin. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-phillips/the-tricky-2009-politics_b_174887.html" rel="nofollow">Kevin Phillips</a> on the Obama economic plan:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Obama financial program &#8212; the rest of his agenda, remember, will almost certainly depend on his retooling failed finance &#8212; shows hints of a flawed combination. Its first weakness, in both policy and retention of prior government officials, involves an appearance of extending the mismanagement and pro-Wall Street bias of the 2008 Bush regime bailout. Its second Achilles heel, rather than representing the hopes and demands for change from the Democratic Party&#8217;s grassroots and net roots, involves re-enlisting and banking on the big names of the Clinton administration&#8217;s regulatory and bubble-managing failures of the late 1990s, especially former treasury secretary Larry Summers and many proteges of former treasury secretary Bob Rubin. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to &lt;a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aJJ_MkIv9VvA&amp;refer=home" rel="nofollow"&gt;Bloombergs&lt;/a&gt;, Elizabeth Warren is also critical of Geithner's plan:



&lt;blockquote&gt;A congressional panel overseeing the U.S. financial rescue suggested that getting rid of top executives and liquidating problem banks may be a better way to solve the economic crisis. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I've followed the writings of Warren over the past couple of years and find her credible and trustworthy.  She was the Harvard economist featured in the documentary "Maxed out."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=aJJ_MkIv9VvA&#038;refer=home" rel="nofollow">Bloombergs</a>, Elizabeth Warren is also critical of Geithner&#8217;s plan:</p>
<blockquote><p>A congressional panel overseeing the U.S. financial rescue suggested that getting rid of top executives and liquidating problem banks may be a better way to solve the economic crisis. </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve followed the writings of Warren over the past couple of years and find her credible and trustworthy.  She was the Harvard economist featured in the documentary &#8220;Maxed out.&#8221;</p>
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