For the last time, science doesn’t dictate values or personal beliefs. Science is a tool; a collection of methods used to ascertain, in an unbiased way and to the best of our knowledge, facts about the universe.

If other peoples’ perspectives and viewpoints on scientific facts can be shown to be WRONG, then that’s just too damn bad. It isn’t science’s fault if some people think the world was magicked into existence in a week and that dinosaurs, thylacines and polar bears were all on the Ark together for a month and none of them tried to eat each other. That stuff simply is not true.

I can’t believe after so many people have spelled out what science is, you still think it’s some kind of competing ideology or belief system that’s just as fallible, parochial and intent on winning converts as your own. People are very patient with you - more so than you deserve - but in the end, every single time someone attempts an explanation or a correction you just choose to ignore everything they say because you already have the answers you need.

You’ve progressed from being challenging to being flat-out boring. I’m starting to bore myself saying the same effing thing over and over.

Debate totally over.

If creationists like you would keep their religious values and personal beliefs out of science class, there wouldn’t be a problem.

@Karl “The premises of actual science should not include inductive statements of an ideological nature, therefore any conclusions that are arrived at using hypothetical science to associate inductive ideological statements with materialistic interpreted evidences must by necessity have an individual component that draws in the emotional and personal experiential side of life that so enables many people to come to different conclusions relating to these matters.”

(Wow, that’s an incoherent paragraph!)

I think Karl is saying that everybody just believes what they want to believe, which he said before.

Yup. Debate is definitely over.

Maybe a ‘rebuttle’ is a rebuttal based solely on scuttlebutt? Because that’s always dependable, yes?

There are only so many times a person can clearly explain what science, secularism and atheism are (and what they’re not) and be utterly & comprehensively ignored before he realises what a complete waste of time this kind of wrasslin’ is. Even if you think you beat your dang pig fair and square in every round there’s no way you’re gonna change his mind.

The state can favor what the atheist would like to say, discuss, or silence, but when it favors what anyone of any religion might think, it needs to be censured.

I guess that was my rebuttle. Debate over.

I’ve yet to ever see a pig “wrastlin” with anything, it can’t grab onto anything except with its mouth, which normally is just something it wants to eat.

I’ve seen pigs trying to escape the clutches of those trying to catch the pig. Like waise I’ve seen/heard of various kings of people trying to catch greased pigs but I guess that would be a different debate, and a different kind of pig wrastlin.

The fact that many think that pigs likes dirt and mud is only because that is its best method for cooling them down to prevent overheating. You stick an animal out in the hot sun and expect it to ignore any source of cooling and then think the animal has no common sense. The fact that the food it eats is often found in various degrees of decompositiuon already means that to eat the slop the pig needs to be willing to forage through all manner of slop which it also finds help to cool him down when left out in the hot sun.

Enough said.

The topic is beyond being reclaimed at this point in time. Most atheists are not vile, I never said they were. Most atheists are presently not so foolish according to the modern standards that people could use for such comparisons and I never said they were. Some atheists are outright vile, and foolish, but so are many people of various religious faith, at least for some part of their lives when they make stupid pig-headed decisions.

What amazes me most is that when opportunities for reasonable shows up, throwing mud/dirt/slop into the equation just helps to cool down the pig.