You want sad and tragic you should read a little history about the back alley butchers and the victims of economics and the law back before the establishment of Planned Parenthood, when it was a felony to even mail INFORMATION about sex and contraception. When you see the lives of women who had no control at all over their situations who, because hubby demanded a little nookie (and could divorce her if she refused) found herself pregnant with number 6 or 7 or 8 and she couldn’t feed the ones she already had, they were driven out of desperation to coat hanger abortionists and often died…don’t sell us the tragedy of an unformed, personality-less mass of cells until you understand the tragedy of women’s history as victim of men’s (non) control.

You must ask yourself, if you were a woman, who would you want telling you what you could do with your body.

As far as zombie’s go, I’ve never seen one so virulent as those who are so steeped in fanaticism that they can’t see outside their own little ideological box, and are willing to kill anyone who threatens to open that box so they might finally be able to see.

Maybe, “Mark the Great” and “Grumpy the Intellectual” would agree to pithing the brain thru the orbitals. That’s what kind of society we have now, a bunch of drugged zombies doing what makes them feel good.

Why am I singled out for applying a medical solution? Am I too harsh?

Then why does it not seem so harsh to thrash and cut and pith a baby who is viable? Does anyone of you see the brutality of abortion or are your senses and morals medicated beyond reason? Maybe apathy?

How sad you all are. Really.
Rabel.

Any birth would help make both irresponsible fathers and mothers, couples, extended families and society at large more accountable for their sexual activities.

How would it do that?

Are you stating that via the existence of a child, the irresponsible sire and dam suddenly become a caring, loving, supportive father and mother? Are you implying that the community will force them to mature? Are you simply stating that the evidence of a birth will prove that someone had irresponsible sex?

In reverse order:

The last (denoting a living human being as a immorality marker for another pair) is reprehensible.

The middle (community enforcement of maturity) requires tools that we’ve deliberately dismantled because they were repeatedly misused. They worked better for oppression of difference than they did for enhancement of maturity in any case, since all one had to do to remain immature was mouth the platitudes and keep the immaturity in private. With the hypothetical baby.

The first (magical transformation of parents at birth)… All I can say is that I’m a pro-life theist and even I don’t believe that much unreality is going to intrude on our shared reality any time soon. I certainly don’t want to base laws on the presumption that it will happen every time.

As for the list of requirements, I applaud you. As Mark said, I might tweak and fiddle, but the proposals as a whole were pretty solid. Well done.

Prochoice crowd like yourself, always find minute cases where a woman’s life is endangered, but according to a most popular doctor(delivered over 1,000 babies), an abortion was never needed in protection of the mother. What about birthing the baby for adoption!!!!
And no Alison, the woman can have all the sex in the world, but she will have no offspring. Remember the question.

Women want a bailout of the responsibilities, with no help from “neutered men” of America…meaning men have given up the fight and responsibilities for what is right and good.

Rabel.

“First of all, they do not want their dollars (meaning money they earned, not given) going to Planned Parenthood internationally.”

To make this abundantly clear, the Government spends substantially less money on safe sex education (and most certainly abortions) then it spends on abstinence only education. The Bush administration placed over 270 million dollars into it. So no need to fret. Abortion is drastically underfunded and you should worry more about those million dollar sports stadiums sucking up your money.

Just keeping the facts straight.

I would add mandatory sex and sexuality classes from about fourth grade on, as is done in the EU. No opting out. Take the attitude that, as far as this goes, your body is a machine and you are the licensed operator. You need to know how it works and why. Leaving everything up to chance the way too many folks do is just crazy.

We have somehow concluded that since its sometimes hard to tell who is more to blame for an unplanned or undesired pregnancy that no one should be held responsible. You can’t always insist that people talk about how the pregnancy came to be, but with modern paternity testing cases are fairly easy to prove.

The punishment of social stigma is not a deterrent to many immoral activities any more, so probably the only utilitarian punishment that would work would need to be one that insists that both the DNA verified father and mother be:

1) required to attend birth control classes by such and such a date.

2) required as fertile males and females to carry mandatory no-fault paternity and maternity health insurance coverage from birth on until certified sterility.

3) required to make their paternity and maternity health insurance liable for potentially all the birth expenses, even retroactively after a birth. This would also apply to the parents of minors without their own health insurance. Health insurance groups could then charge a specific premium for various risk groups and repeat offenders.

4) require that repeat offenders that lose their paternity or maternity health insurance coverage be subject to forced birth control measures.

5) require repeat male and female offenders be subject to legal fines to recoup the expenses of health insurance companies as court actions verify issues of paternity.

6) require that all full legal birth records contain DNA verification of biological ancestry. If this is undeterminable at the time of birth, it should be stated as such and attempts to complete this information should be made or the child immediately be offerd up for adoption.

7) require that biological fathers be offered the same rights of raising a child as a biological mother.

These are a few reasonable matters for consideration

Rabel’s way ahead of the curve on that. He wants to punish the man and the woman for fucking. Pregnancy is the dead giveaway that they’ve been doing just that. Time then to bring out the knives.

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