Comments on: Guantanamo and Orwell http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/11/27/guantanamo-and-orwell/ Human Animals at the Crossroads of Culture, Science, Religion and Media Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:05:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Erich Vieth http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/11/27/guantanamo-and-orwell/comment-page-1/#comment-34540 Erich Vieth Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:26:21 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=3657#comment-34540 Comment at Daily Dish about Guantanamo: "I'm consistently bothered by the fact that in any discussion of how we treat suspected terrorists, everyone seems to forget about the 'suspected' part." http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/01/closing-gitmo-c.html#more Comment at Daily Dish about Guantanamo:

“I’m consistently bothered by the fact that in any discussion of how we treat suspected terrorists, everyone seems to forget about the ’suspected’ part.”

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/01/closing-gitmo-c.html#more

]]> By: Hank http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/11/27/guantanamo-and-orwell/comment-page-1/#comment-30877 Hank Fri, 28 Nov 2008 01:30:07 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=3657#comment-30877 Indeed, the Gitmo hypocrisy was glaring from day one (the fact that Camp X-Ray wasn't even built in the US - but in an avowed enemy state, no less! - makes it pretty clear the Busheney administration was looking for a legal grey area). The day it closes, the shame can start to be cleansed from America - and the other nations of the world (like my own) who allowed their citizens to be kept there for years without charge, without mounting effective challenges to its legitimacy. Until Guantanamo, Americans proudly & loudly claimed at every opportunity to be a nation of laws, justice for all and inalienable human rights and most of the time they were justified in doing so. Upon Guantanamo's inception, however, Busheney showed exactly how much they valued the core of American democracy. If you're one of THEM, even if we just THINK you are, you can kiss you rights goodbye. To go a tad further in the vein of hypocrisy and double-standards, I've always been of the opinion that if what happened in Florida 2000 (and subsequently, shamefully, in SCOTUS) had happened in any other country on earth, the US would've been among the first countries to demand a full recount and urgently recommend sending in independent UN observers to ensure it was carried out fairly. Indeed, the Gitmo hypocrisy was glaring from day one (the fact that Camp X-Ray wasn’t even built in the US - but in an avowed enemy state, no less! - makes it pretty clear the Busheney administration was looking for a legal grey area). The day it closes, the shame can start to be cleansed from America - and the other nations of the world (like my own) who allowed their citizens to be kept there for years without charge, without mounting effective challenges to its legitimacy. Until Guantanamo, Americans proudly & loudly claimed at every opportunity to be a nation of laws, justice for all and inalienable human rights and most of the time they were justified in doing so. Upon Guantanamo’s inception, however, Busheney showed exactly how much they valued the core of American democracy. If you’re one of THEM, even if we just THINK you are, you can kiss you rights goodbye.

To go a tad further in the vein of hypocrisy and double-standards, I’ve always been of the opinion that if what happened in Florida 2000 (and subsequently, shamefully, in SCOTUS) had happened in any other country on earth, the US would’ve been among the first countries to demand a full recount and urgently recommend sending in independent UN observers to ensure it was carried out fairly.

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