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	<title>Comments on: Texas &#8220;Intelligent Design&#8221; results not quite overwhelming enough.</title>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/11/17/texas-intelligent-design-results-not-quite-overwhelming-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-30390</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Discovery Institute has quite predictably responded to this poll. Here is a critical analysis of their response (including a link to it): &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2008/11/disco_inst_tries_to_hustle_tex.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Disco. Inst. tries to hustle Texans&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Discovery Institute has quite predictably responded to this poll. Here is a critical analysis of their response (including a link to it): <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2008/11/disco_inst_tries_to_hustle_tex.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Disco. Inst. tries to hustle Texans</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/11/17/texas-intelligent-design-results-not-quite-overwhelming-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-30336</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niklaus: &#34;Both sides&#34;? Evolutionary theory is the result of two centuries of critical analysis. Continuously criticized, tested and universally supported by everyone who actually examines the evidence. The theory came to be from trying to explain a fountain of evidence that step-by-step conflicted with the Just-So stories of earlier ideologies.

Intelligent Design consists of "we don't think so". There is no evidence &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; Intelligent Design. The proponents don't even attempt to cite any. Check out their many websites.
"Irreducible complexity"? Each time they trot out an alleged example, biologists quickly find a reduced counter-example from both morphology and genetics.

The entire Discovery Institute program is to try to pit church trained common sense feelings against hard won evidence. The primary lesson of 20th century discovery is that &lt;b&gt;common sense is a poor match for how things really work&lt;/b&gt; beyond &lt;a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/09/25/my-limited-vision/" target="_blank" title="My limited vision." rel="nofollow"&gt;everyday human scale&lt;/a&gt;. Atoms and smaller particles don't behave like billiard balls. Complex systems are inherently unpredictable, yet not truly random. Thermodynamics implies increasing complexity. There is lots of time for things to have happened in a very big universe.

Critical thinking begins in the home. Once a child is of school age, they either have been trained by example to accept what authorities say, or to wonder why authorities say what they do. Schools can only do so much.

For those who just accept ideas on authority, the best known answers need to be clearly taught, especially when it contradicts their innate feelings. For the others, they will examine the other side on their own. It certainly isn't hidden in our culture.

And one more point: There is more than one "other" side. A quick  creation from the mind of a single God is only one of dozens of still remembered creation stories, that all contradict each other in their rich details. But all are equally obsolete in comparison to the simple explanation of natural evolution through application of the known laws of nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niklaus: &quot;Both sides&quot;? Evolutionary theory is the result of two centuries of critical analysis. Continuously criticized, tested and universally supported by everyone who actually examines the evidence. The theory came to be from trying to explain a fountain of evidence that step-by-step conflicted with the Just-So stories of earlier ideologies.</p>
<p>Intelligent Design consists of &#8220;we don&#8217;t think so&#8221;. There is no evidence <i>for</i> Intelligent Design. The proponents don&#8217;t even attempt to cite any. Check out their many websites.<br />
&#8220;Irreducible complexity&#8221;? Each time they trot out an alleged example, biologists quickly find a reduced counter-example from both morphology and genetics.</p>
<p>The entire Discovery Institute program is to try to pit church trained common sense feelings against hard won evidence. The primary lesson of 20th century discovery is that <b>common sense is a poor match for how things really work</b> beyond <a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/09/25/my-limited-vision/" target="_blank" title="My limited vision." rel="nofollow">everyday human scale</a>. Atoms and smaller particles don&#8217;t behave like billiard balls. Complex systems are inherently unpredictable, yet not truly random. Thermodynamics implies increasing complexity. There is lots of time for things to have happened in a very big universe.</p>
<p>Critical thinking begins in the home. Once a child is of school age, they either have been trained by example to accept what authorities say, or to wonder why authorities say what they do. Schools can only do so much.</p>
<p>For those who just accept ideas on authority, the best known answers need to be clearly taught, especially when it contradicts their innate feelings. For the others, they will examine the other side on their own. It certainly isn&#8217;t hidden in our culture.</p>
<p>And one more point: There is more than one &#8220;other&#8221; side. A quick  creation from the mind of a single God is only one of dozens of still remembered creation stories, that all contradict each other in their rich details. But all are equally obsolete in comparison to the simple explanation of natural evolution through application of the known laws of nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Niklaus Pfirsig</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/11/17/texas-intelligent-design-results-not-quite-overwhelming-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-30331</link>
		<dc:creator>Niklaus Pfirsig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be best if all students were trained critical thinking and given the arguments of both sides then allowed to decide for themselves. But the No Child Left Behind act has taken that away by forcing the educational system to teach to the test, thus producing students with a wealth of trivial knowledge, but with know understanding of how to use it.
 We are creating a generation of students who are primed for military, in that they do what they are told and believe what they are told to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be best if all students were trained critical thinking and given the arguments of both sides then allowed to decide for themselves. But the No Child Left Behind act has taken that away by forcing the educational system to teach to the test, thus producing students with a wealth of trivial knowledge, but with know understanding of how to use it.<br />
 We are creating a generation of students who are primed for military, in that they do what they are told and believe what they are told to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/11/17/texas-intelligent-design-results-not-quite-overwhelming-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-30296</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's another DI post on Texas and science education:
&lt;a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/10/15/can-you-define-a-conflict-of-interest/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Can You Define a Conflict of Interest?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another DI post on Texas and science education:<br />
<a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/10/15/can-you-define-a-conflict-of-interest/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Can You Define a Conflict of Interest?</a></p>
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