Here is where you are wrong. No other religion in the world changes a person from the inside out (new heart/mind, the Bible says being born again (not to be confused with reincarnation) it is a spiritual rebirth). All other world religions teach from the outside in (they have it backwards). By the way, the Christian religion goes all the way back to Genesis with Abraham (the father of the believers).
I am sharing the Truth of what the Bible verses say and how they apply to today’s world and the best you can come up with is what you said, keep on in la la land. There is hope for all but some are running away as fast as they can from that hope.
As I have said before, if you divorce AO from Jesus Christ then AO is a dream that will fail every time. That is why AO needs to be taught from a Biblical perspective.
Just basing my accusation about the republican dislike by the hateful words cast their way.
See the earlier quote and Bible verse in reference to the vulgar language. Also vulgar language is usually a sign of lack of education but we will not jump to conclusions about you.
Here we go with the childish name calling. I guess we will have to wait a few years until you grow up.
I have been nothing but reasonable, the fact that you are dead set against the Bible makes you unreasonable.
I have been very polite. I do not use vulgar language or call people names. Please look in the mirror as you make these comments about me!!!

Again, I am being painted as a homosexual hater. Let me repeat I do not hate homosexuals. They are people created by God (not as homosexuals) and they need a relationship with God like everybody else. Doing good works does not justify practicing sin that destroys and puts society at risk. I am not comparing homosexuals to Satan but Satan himself does good in order to promote his destructive agenda. He can pose as an angel of light (non threatening) but his end result for people is pain and destruction. Read about the Sodomites in Genesis 19 and you will see some interesting tactics of homosexuals. The older ones had taught the younger ones to be homosexual (the same plan that homosexuals have today when they try to impose on our children, the next gen.). They are united and aggressive. I have been in an open round table discussions with homosexual groups and if given the chance they would have physically torn me apart (because their arguments were failing left and right). They are not stopped at all by the warning signs that God gives them (today AIDS is a huge neon warning sign but they continue on). Do you not see the evidence?

You do not have to sexually entice a child in order to convince him to try homosexuality (just plant the seed in his mind). That is what they want to do, get you comfortable with the idea of homosexuality (see the Overhauling of Straight America).

Here is what you do not understand, there is nothing that will work apart from the Bible. Do you not realize that? We took the Bible out of public school and look at the consequences we have today (violence, murder, rape, etc). You are asking for something that is impossible, a good world without the Word of God.

You’ve got a lot to learn about hypocrisy, Erik. This little number right here:

“Sticking your fingers in your ear singing la la la does not remove the reality of things.”

That’s exactly what you’re doing whenever you’re proven wrong, which is every post we make. Since you follow a 2000 year old religion that was founded by a desert people, and has no real difference from any other religion, you’re ignoring the very basic fact that christianity was to end before the last ‘prophet’ died.

Right now, you’re the one regurgitating bible verses, sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la, because you refuse to even acknowledge the scientific evidence given to you, about how AO has failed, about how homosexuals didn’t choose to be homosexuals, and how actual sex ed is far more effective than AO.

You also make assumptions about the other posters way too much.

“I see you do not care much for republicans either. You seem to dislike a lot of people. Did that happen before or after you supposedly left Christianity?”

If I couldn’t stand republicans, I’d be going insane in every town I go to, because of the one-sidedness of my area. It’s the people that get elected that I can’t stand. A person can be republican, christian, what the fuck ever they decide to affiliate with. If the person is a fucktard, then I’m not inclined to like them, regardless if they’re christian, muslim, republican, democrat, or even an atheist. Just because they’re a non-believer like me, doesn’t mean I give them special leeway.

I became much more tolerable after I left christianity, despite our exchanges. You qualify under the ‘ignorant and pious’ group that I dislike, and generally avoid. If you had come on here with a reasonable streak, I would’ve reacted differently, but you came here quoting bible verses and saying that you’re right, no matter what we say or prove.

You’re unreasonable, impolite, discourteous, and have brought nothing here that a number of us here haven’t heard before a thousand times over.

And I won’t apologize to anyone who goes to private schools. I’ve had naught, but negative experiences with students and faculty from every private school I visited and played against. They pay so much money to get in, then bitch about how the public schools get money from the government, which is how it’s supposed to be.

Haha, my anti-spam word is grumpy…How appropriate.

You say “They are the ones sending out their message everywhere.”

Who is “they”? It is not any of the gays I know. The gays I know are quietly living lives very much like many heterosexuals. They work hard at their jobs, they contribute to to their community through volunteer work, they like to see a good movie and they like to have stimulating conversation over tasty food.

Here’s what they don’t do: They don’t impose their gay sexual orientation on anyone else. They live quiet lives, to themselves. They’ve NEVER sexually enticed children. They want to not be harassed by people like you who try to stir up hatred and scorn toward them.

Why don’t you please answer my sincere question from before. Quit quoting the bible and, just for one post, pretend that you are emperor of the United States and that you can pass any law you want. Tell me about your utopia. What would you do about all of those gays out there? What about horny teenagers. You can impose any program and you can enforce it with the full police power of the state. Please, describe your idea of Utopia.

I was born a male and I choose to be heterosexual, ie show my affection to a woman (how hard is that to understand?). Homosexuals like everybody make a choice to practice their lifestyle.

I will stop speaking out about the sin of homosexuality when they stop imposing their lifestyle on society and teaching others about their lifestyle. Again, how is it fair you to allow them to impose yet tell me to remain silent. I am not picking on them. They are the ones sending out their message everywhere.

Oh, you want to talk about what Jesus said. You guys are like parrots, repeating the same arguments. I have been waiting for this one.

Matthew 19:4-6
4 And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5 and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH ‘? 6 “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

I know that this is in the context of divorce and remarriage but Jesus Himself says that marriage is between a man and a woman. He does not leave any room for homosexuality here.

Matthew 11:23-24 23 “And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day. 24 “Nevertheless I say to you that it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for you.”

Luke 17:29 29 but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.

Jesus is addressing the unbelief of the cities that He preached in and what would happen because of their actions. He makes reference to Sodom (a city that was destroyed because of immorality, specifically homosexuality). I know that you will bring the argument that they were destroyed because of their lack of hospitality (stopping that before it starts) but if you read the account in Genesis 19 you will see clearly just how evil these homosexuals were and how they brought about the destruction of a city.

Jesus says that they (the homosexuals) needed to repent of their sins. They will be judged along with the rest of the world for their sins (even though God has already poured out some of His wrath on them) there is more to come.

My children are innocent victims and who are preyed upon by homosexual activist trying to force them to learn how to be gay. I cannot stand for that.

Your choice is no choice at all. It is the absence of a choice.

Same thing with gays who were born strongly homosexual.

Most gay men I know (and I know a dozen fairly well) were obviously different, even back in grade school. They didn’t choose anything at all. Just like YOU. Why can’t you just leave them alone and let them live in peace? I’m referring to the 99.9% of gays who don’t molest children–why not just let them be? If your answer is the Bible, then tell me the scriptural passage where Jesus said anything about gay people? That’s right: there is no such passage.

Pedophiles are harming innocent victims. Most gays (excluding thousands of Catholic priests) are engaging in sex ONLY with consenting adults. Do you see the difference? Victims versus NO victims?

Speaking of Catholics, you are reminding me of the current Pope, who has claimed that all OTHER religions are defective. http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/07/18/pope-says-all-other-churches-are-defective/

I choose to be heterosexual every single day. I was born male and therefore my sexuality is demonstrated toward female (not rocket science). A male who demonstrates his sexuality toward another male has chosen to be homosexual. It is a choice.

By the way, you never answered my question. Should pedophiles not be punished because they were born that way?

I observed, “We might just as easily ask, ‘if heterosexuality is not a choice then how can there be former heterosexuals?’” I then explained how there can be both former homosexuals and former heterosexuals without either sexual preference being a choice for everyone. Obviously, homosexuality is a choice for some people but not for others, just as heterosexuality is a choice for some people but not for others.

Erik responded to my comment with a non-answer, so I will again point out that Erik’s argument completely ignores evidence that is contrary to his belief. I will also point out, again, that many (most?) homosexuals are just as absolute in their sexual preference as are many (most?) heterosexuals. To suggest, as Erik has, that homosexuality is a choice for every homosexual is just as absurd as arguing that heterosexuality is a choice for every heterosexual. For the people I know (both homosexual and heterosexual), it’s simply not a choice.

Again, you try to argue that 100% effective is not good enough. I wonder where you studied math. Again, without the power of Jesus Christ a person cannot follow an abstinence program (because of slavery to sin, a slave does not do what he wants but what his master “sin” forces him to do). I have said it before and I will say it again, I had a sex ed class forced upon me in high school, I know what it is all about. Immorality was glorified and we were told how well condoms “protect” us. They failed to teach two very important things, 1) condoms do not protect a person’s heart (emotions) once those are destroyed your in for a lot of pain and suffering (could be avoided by trusting in God to give you the right person and enjoy for the rest of your life), 2) the fact that condoms do not protect anywhere near 100% against STD’s. Many of my classmates bought the lie that sex ed was teaching and have had their lives destroyed (emotionally, physically with STD’s, even while using condoms). So, please do not talk to me like I do not know what I am writing about. I have been there, been deceived by the lies and thank God, had my eyes opened to His Truth. That is why I will not be silent!!!

Throwing more money at schools is not the solution. I agree we do need more funding but putting a bandage over a gaping wound will not solve the problem. The problem is the fact that God was taken out of the schools and out of many homes and as a result children are being raised without values. If you teach people not to have values then their lifestyles will begin to reflect it.

Here you go again putting words in my mouth (typical). I never said that I am against public education. I received a secular public education myself so please do not continue saying that I said what I clearly did not say!!!
So now you call people who go to private schools stupid. You might want to reconsider that statement, maybe even apologize.

I see you do not care much for republicans either. You seem to dislike a lot of people. Did that happen before or after you supposedly left Christianity?

God is the expert of who a true follower is and He tells us how we can recognize if first WE are true followers and then if others are.
Matthew 7:21

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matthew 7:24 24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.

The will of the Father is to hear the words of Jesus Christ (the Bible) and act upon them (live by them).

1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.

When a person walks away from the faith, he/she proves that he/she was not really part of the faith (a good pretender for a while). Read what God says and you will begin to see things more clearly. Unfortunately you have been deceived by people who are in the business of deception, the problem is, they do not know they are deceived (usually)

Sharing what the Bible says is not acting condescendingly, yes the Bible does condemn but with the purpose to show you that you are condemned and need help. God is ready to forgive if you will repent (return to Him).
Here we go again with the childish remarks, please grow up. When I was a child I spoke like a child because I thought like a child but now that I am a man I speak like a man. It would be good for you to do the same.
Wow, the crutch argument (very original). By the way, do you guys have anything that is original? I thought free thinkers prided themselves on their originality. We are all followers, that is the way God made us. Every person on this earth follows someone (looks up to a hero or idol). Facts are facts. The question is not if you are following it is who are you following. I know that I am a follower so I choose to follow the only true way (common sense).

Why do we frown upon murder? Because it is a sin and there is no justification for it. Sticking your fingers in your ear singing la la la does not remove the reality of things. Why do so many people feel guilty because of their wrong actions? Not because religion told them so, it is because God has put that idea in each and every person born into this world.

All of us are servants, either we serve sin or we serve God. Believers serve God will nonbelievers serve the lust of the flesh. The reality is, we all serve something or someone. Again, denying reality does not change reality.