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	<title>Comments on: Atheist Coming Out Party 2008</title>
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	<description>Human Animals at the Crossroads of Culture, Science, Religion and Media</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/08/04/atheist-coming-out-party-2008/#comment-23130</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan:  Good point.  I have two children, aged 8 and 10.   I don't refer to them as Democrats or Republicans, Determinists or Believers in Free Will, Vegetarians or Carnivores, Pro-choice or Anti-Abortion, nor Believers or Atheists.   When they get a bit older, I assume that they will have opinions deep enough to justify labels.  At this point, though, they are simply my children and they are only starting to think through some of these issues.  

In short, I hesitate to project my own beliefs on my young children and I too am distracted when others do this regarding their own young children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:  Good point.  I have two children, aged 8 and 10.   I don&#8217;t refer to them as Democrats or Republicans, Determinists or Believers in Free Will, Vegetarians or Carnivores, Pro-choice or Anti-Abortion, nor Believers or Atheists.   When they get a bit older, I assume that they will have opinions deep enough to justify labels.  At this point, though, they are simply my children and they are only starting to think through some of these issues.  </p>
<p>In short, I hesitate to project my own beliefs on my young children and I too am distracted when others do this regarding their own young children.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/08/04/atheist-coming-out-party-2008/#comment-23110</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we going to let her get away with the label &#34;Atheist children&#34;?
What if they mature to be Humanists, agnostics, pagans, or even (shudder) theists? 
http://www.atheistrev.com/2007/01/religious-indoctrination-as-child-abuse.html

I'd buy irreligious children, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we going to let her get away with the label &quot;Atheist children&quot;?<br />
What if they mature to be Humanists, agnostics, pagans, or even (shudder) theists?<br />
<a href="http://www.atheistrev.com/2007/01/religious-indoctrination-as-child-abuse.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atheistrev.com/2007/01/religious-indoctrination-as-child-abuse.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d buy irreligious children, though.</p>
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		<title>By: SkepMom</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/08/04/atheist-coming-out-party-2008/#comment-23078</link>
		<dc:creator>SkepMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 02:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You now have it officially confirmed that the family in the picture are indeed atheists.  That is my husband and I sitting next to each other with our dear friend who is playing chess with our eldest.  The other two young men in the picture are from Camp Quest and were giving us great information about their summer program.  

Our little ones did get the chance to meet other atheist children there, which was the primary reason for us going.  We had a wonderful time!  Now, if only we could find more people to play chess with our children, or even better, Go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You now have it officially confirmed that the family in the picture are indeed atheists.  That is my husband and I sitting next to each other with our dear friend who is playing chess with our eldest.  The other two young men in the picture are from Camp Quest and were giving us great information about their summer program.  </p>
<p>Our little ones did get the chance to meet other atheist children there, which was the primary reason for us going.  We had a wonderful time!  Now, if only we could find more people to play chess with our children, or even better, Go.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/08/04/atheist-coming-out-party-2008/#comment-22827</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whaaaat?!

I live in central Ohio and I never knew about this event, otherwise I would have been there with (heathen) bells on!

Dang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whaaaat?!</p>
<p>I live in central Ohio and I never knew about this event, otherwise I would have been there with (heathen) bells on!</p>
<p>Dang.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erich: the group consisted of, as far as I can tell, an amalgamation of nonchristian perspectives. Many were ex-Christians; Hemant is an former Jane; there were atheists, "brights", ignostic (me, anyway) and agnostic atheists, and I even overheard one person explaining their friends' deism! I know the local Students For Freethought that attended this event has a few "first unmoved-mover" type deists as well. 

Atheist is just the most common and recognizable handle, I think, for this wide group of people. Perspectives on respect for Christians, too, varied a bit. Hemant of course argues for friendly, nonconfrontational atheism, and many members at the event agree. Even the more strident atheists were very welcoming and tolerant to the "believers" waving signs across the street; the protesters were invited in, but they wouldn't come into the barn.

I think only a Christian with a severe persecution fetish would see this event as at all threatening. The event aimed to celebrate atheism and help form a kind of open, helpful atheist community- not take down or insult Christianity. 

As far as atheist TV characters go- I draw an unsurprising blank. I'll let you know if I think of any!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erich: the group consisted of, as far as I can tell, an amalgamation of nonchristian perspectives. Many were ex-Christians; Hemant is an former Jane; there were atheists, &#8220;brights&#8221;, ignostic (me, anyway) and agnostic atheists, and I even overheard one person explaining their friends&#8217; deism! I know the local Students For Freethought that attended this event has a few &#8220;first unmoved-mover&#8221; type deists as well. </p>
<p>Atheist is just the most common and recognizable handle, I think, for this wide group of people. Perspectives on respect for Christians, too, varied a bit. Hemant of course argues for friendly, nonconfrontational atheism, and many members at the event agree. Even the more strident atheists were very welcoming and tolerant to the &#8220;believers&#8221; waving signs across the street; the protesters were invited in, but they wouldn&#8217;t come into the barn.</p>
<p>I think only a Christian with a severe persecution fetish would see this event as at all threatening. The event aimed to celebrate atheism and help form a kind of open, helpful atheist community- not take down or insult Christianity. </p>
<p>As far as atheist TV characters go- I draw an unsurprising blank. I&#8217;ll let you know if I think of any!</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erika:  Thank you for your photographic report.  Those photos are each worth 1000 words.   And, yes, believers and non-believers can get along (many of them often have).   

Your post makes me wonder if there has ever been a television show based on a good-natured family that included some atheists.   

I'm sure that many believers would jump in and say that most TV shows feature "atheists" based on the fact that most TV shows don't show families engaged in prayer or going to church or talking about God.  I would counter, however, that most TV shows simply avoid the topic.  No, those TV families aren't shown going to church but they aren't shown expressing their strong confident beliefs that God is a made up fairy tale being, belief in whom is wholly unnecessary for those kind and decent people who want to live kind and decent lives.  

That is the thought that I had as you showed the photos of the folks gathering together, including the families.  

Can anyone help me with my question?  Has there ever been a popular TV show on which the main characters unambiguosly expressed themselves to be happy, confident atheists who were nonetheless wholesome taxpaying members of society?  

Here's a few other things I'm wondering.  What does "atheist" mean to people in the gathering, as best you can tell?  Were meaningful distinctions made between atheists and agnostics?  http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/03/03/the-semantics-of-secular-labels/ 

For instance, did you have many Einsteinian theists among the atheists?   http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/04/08/einsteins-god/ 

How much pain would a devout, yet open-minded religious believer feel as he/she listened to the presentations?  Maybe what I'm trying to ask is whether there was tolerance in the air, or was there a sustained attack on the "lack of intelligence" of believers?

I'm asking because I've never been to a gathering of people who assemble together, the exuse being their commonly held atheistic world views. 

Thanks, again, for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika:  Thank you for your photographic report.  Those photos are each worth 1000 words.   And, yes, believers and non-believers can get along (many of them often have).   </p>
<p>Your post makes me wonder if there has ever been a television show based on a good-natured family that included some atheists.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that many believers would jump in and say that most TV shows feature &#8220;atheists&#8221; based on the fact that most TV shows don&#8217;t show families engaged in prayer or going to church or talking about God.  I would counter, however, that most TV shows simply avoid the topic.  No, those TV families aren&#8217;t shown going to church but they aren&#8217;t shown expressing their strong confident beliefs that God is a made up fairy tale being, belief in whom is wholly unnecessary for those kind and decent people who want to live kind and decent lives.  </p>
<p>That is the thought that I had as you showed the photos of the folks gathering together, including the families.  </p>
<p>Can anyone help me with my question?  Has there ever been a popular TV show on which the main characters unambiguosly expressed themselves to be happy, confident atheists who were nonetheless wholesome taxpaying members of society?  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a few other things I&#8217;m wondering.  What does &#8220;atheist&#8221; mean to people in the gathering, as best you can tell?  Were meaningful distinctions made between atheists and agnostics?  <a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/03/03/the-semantics-of-secular-labels/" rel="nofollow">http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/03/03/the-semantics-of-secular-labels/</a> </p>
<p>For instance, did you have many Einsteinian theists among the atheists?   <a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/04/08/einsteins-god/" rel="nofollow">http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/04/08/einsteins-god/</a> </p>
<p>How much pain would a devout, yet open-minded religious believer feel as he/she listened to the presentations?  Maybe what I&#8217;m trying to ask is whether there was tolerance in the air, or was there a sustained attack on the &#8220;lack of intelligence&#8221; of believers?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m asking because I&#8217;ve never been to a gathering of people who assemble together, the exuse being their commonly held atheistic world views. </p>
<p>Thanks, again, for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Price</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/08/04/atheist-coming-out-party-2008/#comment-22789</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vicki: Yes, that logo has been American Atheist's symbol for quite some time. They explain the choice &lt;a href="http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/logo.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;. The debate over what logo, if any, an atheist should use can become quite lively in some circles. &lt;a href="http://www.helsinki.fi/~ssyreeni/atheist/no-ghost-c-06.en.html" rel="nofollow"&gt; This page&lt;/a&gt; details some of the logos that have been proposed over the years. Somehow I doubt we'll ever settle on one, and maybe we shouldn't!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vicki: Yes, that logo has been American Atheist&#8217;s symbol for quite some time. They explain the choice <a href="http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/logo.html" rel="nofollow"> here</a>. The debate over what logo, if any, an atheist should use can become quite lively in some circles. <a href="http://www.helsinki.fi/~ssyreeni/atheist/no-ghost-c-06.en.html" rel="nofollow"> This page</a> details some of the logos that have been proposed over the years. Somehow I doubt we&#8217;ll ever settle on one, and maybe we shouldn&#8217;t!</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The slogan on the t-shirt is good but the logo makes me laugh. I didn't know atheists were radioactive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The slogan on the t-shirt is good but the logo makes me laugh. I didn&#8217;t know atheists were radioactive!</p>
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