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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s wrong with Americans?  Are we stupid?  Are we toddlers?</title>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/06/20/whats-wrong-with-americans-are-we-stupid-are-we-toddlers/#comment-19945</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a basic one for all of those moderate Republicans.   Didn't it occur to anyone in power that taking huge amounts of food off the food market (corn) in order to inefficiently make ethanol would cause the price of food to skyrocket?  You know, the basic law of supply and demand.  This is incredibly disturbing short-range thinking.

Here's another one for anyone with common sense.  I already alluded to it in the post. Don't we need to fix all of those aging bridges?  &lt;a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared-bernstein/infrastructure-boring-wor_b_108502.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Consider this post by Jared Bernstein &lt;/a&gt;on the boring-ness of infrastructure.  



&lt;blockquote&gt;So one reason to make public investments is that if we fail to do so, we'll all be worse off. If our highway system is falling apart -- the U.S. Department of Transportation has identified more than 6,000 high-priority, structurally deficient bridges that need to be replaced -- if our schools are physically inadequate to the task at hand -- in New York City alone, officials have identified $1.7 billion of deferred maintenance projects on 800 city school buildings -- we will fail to realize our economic potential, no matter what happens in corporate America.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a basic one for all of those moderate Republicans.   Didn&#8217;t it occur to anyone in power that taking huge amounts of food off the food market (corn) in order to inefficiently make ethanol would cause the price of food to skyrocket?  You know, the basic law of supply and demand.  This is incredibly disturbing short-range thinking.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another one for anyone with common sense.  I already alluded to it in the post. Don&#8217;t we need to fix all of those aging bridges?  <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared-bernstein/infrastructure-boring-wor_b_108502.html" rel="nofollow">Consider this post by Jared Bernstein </a>on the boring-ness of infrastructure.  </p>
<blockquote><p>So one reason to make public investments is that if we fail to do so, we&#8217;ll all be worse off. If our highway system is falling apart &#8212; the U.S. Department of Transportation has identified more than 6,000 high-priority, structurally deficient bridges that need to be replaced &#8212; if our schools are physically inadequate to the task at hand &#8212; in New York City alone, officials have identified $1.7 billion of deferred maintenance projects on 800 city school buildings &#8212; we will fail to realize our economic potential, no matter what happens in corporate America.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, because the Exxon Valdez was just a freak accident, easily contained.  That's why New Jersey's tourism revenue wouldn't be affected if we allow drilling offshore in Virginia, too.  Funny how the solution to oil dependence is never "use less" or "find alternatives", but always "drill for more".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, because the Exxon Valdez was just a freak accident, easily contained.  That&#8217;s why New Jersey&#8217;s tourism revenue wouldn&#8217;t be affected if we allow drilling offshore in Virginia, too.  Funny how the solution to oil dependence is never &#8220;use less&#8221; or &#8220;find alternatives&#8221;, but always &#8220;drill for more&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/06/20/whats-wrong-with-americans-are-we-stupid-are-we-toddlers/#comment-19814</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we're back to discussing the ideas in Vonnegut’s “Harrison Bergeron” or Kornbluths “The Marching Morons”, wherein either the simple (as in short bus) majority rules capable people to be unfairly advantaged, or they are simply massively outnumbered. (I mentioned these stories before: &lt;a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/23/ayn-rands-heartless-version-of-objectivism/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).

I had lunch today with a former employer who argued that our energy needs could be met if only we were allowed to drill for oil in wildlife refuges, a solution that he claims McCain promises and Obama rejects. Guess what news station he favors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we&#8217;re back to discussing the ideas in Vonnegut’s “Harrison Bergeron” or Kornbluths “The Marching Morons”, wherein either the simple (as in short bus) majority rules capable people to be unfairly advantaged, or they are simply massively outnumbered. (I mentioned these stories before: <a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/23/ayn-rands-heartless-version-of-objectivism/" rel="nofollow">here</a>).</p>
<p>I had lunch today with a former employer who argued that our energy needs could be met if only we were allowed to drill for oil in wildlife refuges, a solution that he claims McCain promises and Obama rejects. Guess what news station he favors?</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/06/20/whats-wrong-with-americans-are-we-stupid-are-we-toddlers/#comment-19806</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people seem to be happy to be led around by the nose rather than do all the work it takes to really understand what's going on.  I can't tell you how many times I try to educate people who are clearly parroting whatever they heard from Bill O'Reilly, or got in e-mail along with every other person their sister-in-law's boss' best friend knows.  Just a couple of weeks ago, someone seriously told me "We have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here," and when I started to point out how wrong this was, she was so utterly convinced that terrorists could come over here on commercial planes in army-sized numbers with nuclear bombs in their shoes that I gave up faster than I ever have.  A letter to the editor in today's paper was a wild-eyed rant on the terrible consequences we were going to face with habeus corpus restored - it looked like a copy-paste job of neocon talking points from someone who'd drunk deeply of the kool-aid.

Idiocracy is a mediocre execution of a fine idea.  There's no question that far too many people are happy with tiny bits of information that have been pre-chewed and regurgitated into their minds.  Give them sound bites, easy-to-remember statistics, and prepackaged opinions, and they're happy.  If you tell them what they want to hear, they have no motivation to look for additional information or check the veracity of what they're told.  People are so used to being sold to, you can sell them almost anything.  

Also, in case anyone might think that all this standardized testing is going to help matters, the truth will out very soon.  Kids who've learned to spit back out what they've been told so they can score well on a multiple choice exam are going to be even worse.  Critical thinking skills will continue to be eroded, and when these kids are old enough to be called upon to make decisions, they'll be even more likely to make the ones they've been told to make.  It's frightening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people seem to be happy to be led around by the nose rather than do all the work it takes to really understand what&#8217;s going on.  I can&#8217;t tell you how many times I try to educate people who are clearly parroting whatever they heard from Bill O&#8217;Reilly, or got in e-mail along with every other person their sister-in-law&#8217;s boss&#8217; best friend knows.  Just a couple of weeks ago, someone seriously told me &#8220;We have to fight them over there so we don&#8217;t have to fight them over here,&#8221; and when I started to point out how wrong this was, she was so utterly convinced that terrorists could come over here on commercial planes in army-sized numbers with nuclear bombs in their shoes that I gave up faster than I ever have.  A letter to the editor in today&#8217;s paper was a wild-eyed rant on the terrible consequences we were going to face with habeus corpus restored - it looked like a copy-paste job of neocon talking points from someone who&#8217;d drunk deeply of the kool-aid.</p>
<p>Idiocracy is a mediocre execution of a fine idea.  There&#8217;s no question that far too many people are happy with tiny bits of information that have been pre-chewed and regurgitated into their minds.  Give them sound bites, easy-to-remember statistics, and prepackaged opinions, and they&#8217;re happy.  If you tell them what they want to hear, they have no motivation to look for additional information or check the veracity of what they&#8217;re told.  People are so used to being sold to, you can sell them almost anything.  </p>
<p>Also, in case anyone might think that all this standardized testing is going to help matters, the truth will out very soon.  Kids who&#8217;ve learned to spit back out what they&#8217;ve been told so they can score well on a multiple choice exam are going to be even worse.  Critical thinking skills will continue to be eroded, and when these kids are old enough to be called upon to make decisions, they&#8217;ll be even more likely to make the ones they&#8217;ve been told to make.  It&#8217;s frightening.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Niklaus mentions, the movie "Idiocracy" is worth watching.  Its premise is that "dumb" Americans tend to reproduce relatively early in life (in their teens and twenties) and tend to have more children, whereas "smart" Americans tend to reproduce later (in their late twenties and thirties) and tend to have fewer children.  With no predators to "thin the herd," evolution will not necessarily favor the smartest, fastest or otherwise best-equipped of a species (in this case, humans); it will simply favor those who reproduce the most rapidly.  Thus, over a span of a few generations, "dumb" Americans will greatly outnumber "smart" ones.  Eventually, "smart" Americans will go extinct, and our nation will become an "idiocracy."

This idea has merit.  Consider the fact that America's wealth is becoming concentrated in the hands of an ever-smaller percentage of the population.  This might not be just the result of Republican tax policy; it might also be the result of basic evolutionary statistics.  If poor/ignorant people reproduce more rapidly than rich/educated ones, and if there is only very limited redistribution of wealth, then wealth will inevitably become more concentrated with each generation.  Over time, a smaller and smaller cadre of rich will need larger and larger security forces to protect them from civil unrest.  Prisons will fill, police and military spending will balloon, and the rich will increasingly need to rely on propaganda to delude and confuse the masses.  Sound familiar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Niklaus mentions, the movie &#8220;Idiocracy&#8221; is worth watching.  Its premise is that &#8220;dumb&#8221; Americans tend to reproduce relatively early in life (in their teens and twenties) and tend to have more children, whereas &#8220;smart&#8221; Americans tend to reproduce later (in their late twenties and thirties) and tend to have fewer children.  With no predators to &#8220;thin the herd,&#8221; evolution will not necessarily favor the smartest, fastest or otherwise best-equipped of a species (in this case, humans); it will simply favor those who reproduce the most rapidly.  Thus, over a span of a few generations, &#8220;dumb&#8221; Americans will greatly outnumber &#8220;smart&#8221; ones.  Eventually, &#8220;smart&#8221; Americans will go extinct, and our nation will become an &#8220;idiocracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>This idea has merit.  Consider the fact that America&#8217;s wealth is becoming concentrated in the hands of an ever-smaller percentage of the population.  This might not be just the result of Republican tax policy; it might also be the result of basic evolutionary statistics.  If poor/ignorant people reproduce more rapidly than rich/educated ones, and if there is only very limited redistribution of wealth, then wealth will inevitably become more concentrated with each generation.  Over time, a smaller and smaller cadre of rich will need larger and larger security forces to protect them from civil unrest.  Prisons will fill, police and military spending will balloon, and the rich will increasingly need to rely on propaganda to delude and confuse the masses.  Sound familiar?</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/06/20/whats-wrong-with-americans-are-we-stupid-are-we-toddlers/#comment-19799</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niklaus:  I noticed the Wiki description of Idiocracy at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy and a YouTube excerpt at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upyewL0oaWA '

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niklaus:  I noticed the Wiki description of Idiocracy at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy</a> and a YouTube excerpt at <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upyewL0oaWA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upyewL0oaWA</a> &#8216;</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Niklaus Pfirsig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niklaus Pfirsig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will get worse. Check out the movie "Idiocracy" if you can find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will get worse. Check out the movie &#8220;Idiocracy&#8221; if you can find it.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/06/20/whats-wrong-with-americans-are-we-stupid-are-we-toddlers/#comment-19791</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>durandal1707:  Thank you for introducing me to the "greedy algorithm."  Sounds like it describes toddler behavior (purely local choices) quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>durandal1707:  Thank you for introducing me to the &#8220;greedy algorithm.&#8221;  Sounds like it describes toddler behavior (purely local choices) quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: durandal1707</title>
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		<dc:creator>durandal1707</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a way, I think the social, economic and political architecture of the United States gives rise to (pardon my computer science background) an overall &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greedy_algorithm" rel="nofollow"&gt;"greedy algorithm"&lt;/a&gt; in most decision-making fields.  In politics in particular, I find that the rather short terms of congresspeople reinforces this tendency quite effectively - from the moment a representative arrives in D.C., they already have to start making plans for their re-election bids.   This leads to votes toward policies that are very myopic and pander to particular representatives' home districts.

The feedback loops between consumers and corporations, voters and government, etc. produce this rather destructive culture of convenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a way, I think the social, economic and political architecture of the United States gives rise to (pardon my computer science background) an overall <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greedy_algorithm" rel="nofollow">&#8220;greedy algorithm&#8221;</a> in most decision-making fields.  In politics in particular, I find that the rather short terms of congresspeople reinforces this tendency quite effectively - from the moment a representative arrives in D.C., they already have to start making plans for their re-election bids.   This leads to votes toward policies that are very myopic and pander to particular representatives&#8217; home districts.</p>
<p>The feedback loops between consumers and corporations, voters and government, etc. produce this rather destructive culture of convenience.</p>
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		<title>By: Planeten Paultje</title>
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		<dc:creator>Planeten Paultje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 06:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, staggering isn't it? But be assured, the US is not alone in this. Numerous examples can be found in Holland where I live and all over Europe. 

Just a simple one: Guess what happens when you build houses on flood planes near rivers? Oh dear, oh dear, our houses are being flooded! How can this be? 
BTW, the medieval fortress towns in that area simply dropped in their wooden water barriers + a lot of sand bags and sailed through the problem as they had always done before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, staggering isn&#8217;t it? But be assured, the US is not alone in this. Numerous examples can be found in Holland where I live and all over Europe. </p>
<p>Just a simple one: Guess what happens when you build houses on flood planes near rivers? Oh dear, oh dear, our houses are being flooded! How can this be?<br />
BTW, the medieval fortress towns in that area simply dropped in their wooden water barriers + a lot of sand bags and sailed through the problem as they had always done before.</p>
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