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	<title>Comments on: Use your &#8216;economic stimulus&#8217; check to buy a bicycle</title>
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		<title>By: figure8designs</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/05/12/use-your-economic-stimulus-check-to-buy-a-bicycle/#comment-18476</link>
		<dc:creator>figure8designs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 07:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought a vintage peugeot with my first rebate check this year and sold my car to pay off debt... best decision i have ever made! My bike is very very light, and it was under $100. The repairs are super cheap, I'm in shape, helping the environment, and overall just feel amazing. My $600 is going towards school, but it's still an investment, 600 less on the student loans this year :)

I feel sorry for anyone buying crap, save and invest! Use the money to help yourself in the long run!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a vintage peugeot with my first rebate check this year and sold my car to pay off debt&#8230; best decision i have ever made! My bike is very very light, and it was under $100. The repairs are super cheap, I&#8217;m in shape, helping the environment, and overall just feel amazing. My $600 is going towards school, but it&#8217;s still an investment, 600 less on the student loans this year <img src='http://dangerousintersection.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I feel sorry for anyone buying crap, save and invest! Use the money to help yourself in the long run!</p>
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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/05/12/use-your-economic-stimulus-check-to-buy-a-bicycle/#comment-18463</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erich &#38; Dan, as regards the monstrous long-term cost of this short-term 'stimulus' package, it is just another example of Bush's nightmarish solutions to his nightmarish policies.  Apparently, his goal is to cripple the U.S. economy so badly that Democrats will spend the next four years just trying to repair his mess (i.e., just like he is doing in Iraq).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erich &amp; Dan, as regards the monstrous long-term cost of this short-term &#8217;stimulus&#8217; package, it is just another example of Bush&#8217;s nightmarish solutions to his nightmarish policies.  Apparently, his goal is to cripple the U.S. economy so badly that Democrats will spend the next four years just trying to repair his mess (i.e., just like he is doing in Iraq).</p>
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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/05/12/use-your-economic-stimulus-check-to-buy-a-bicycle/#comment-18462</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Dan:  your '90s bike might be worth upgrading, depending upon what you have and what you now need.  However, nice new bikes can be had these days for $300-400, so it might not be worth your time &#38; effort.

To proj:  a lot of a bike's weight depends upon the design.  For example,  a mountain bike will typically weigh more than a road bike.  Perhaps you are thinking of some of the so-called cruiser or "comfort" bikes that are now being hawked -- most of these are tanks that blatantly contradict their monikers.  As Dan points out, good values can be had in used bikes:  check the bike shops *this month*, because many students will be graduating and selling off their old bikes, so selection is good and prices generally low.

Indeed, as Vicki mentions, vintage bikes are popular, and for good reason:  many were hung up for storage in garages as soon as they got their first flat tire, so there are some excellent values out there.  There are also good websites out there with tips on refurbing older bikes; see, e.g., http://www.sheldonbrown.com/upgrade.html/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dan:  your &#8217;90s bike might be worth upgrading, depending upon what you have and what you now need.  However, nice new bikes can be had these days for $300-400, so it might not be worth your time &amp; effort.</p>
<p>To proj:  a lot of a bike&#8217;s weight depends upon the design.  For example,  a mountain bike will typically weigh more than a road bike.  Perhaps you are thinking of some of the so-called cruiser or &#8220;comfort&#8221; bikes that are now being hawked &#8212; most of these are tanks that blatantly contradict their monikers.  As Dan points out, good values can be had in used bikes:  check the bike shops *this month*, because many students will be graduating and selling off their old bikes, so selection is good and prices generally low.</p>
<p>Indeed, as Vicki mentions, vintage bikes are popular, and for good reason:  many were hung up for storage in garages as soon as they got their first flat tire, so there are some excellent values out there.  There are also good websites out there with tips on refurbing older bikes; see, e.g., <a href="http://www.sheldonbrown.com/upgrade.html/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sheldonbrown.com/upgrade.html/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Baker</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/05/12/use-your-economic-stimulus-check-to-buy-a-bicycle/#comment-18445</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Santa Cruz, it seems like all the cool kids are riding vintage recycled or new retro 10-speed road bikes, just like back in the day (70's) Cruisers are out, and mountain bikes are just for the trails.
Personally I would love a bike from &lt;a href="http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models" rel="nofollow"&gt;Rivendell Bicycle Works&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Santa Cruz, it seems like all the cool kids are riding vintage recycled or new retro 10-speed road bikes, just like back in the day (70&#8217;s) Cruisers are out, and mountain bikes are just for the trails.<br />
Personally I would love a bike from <a href="http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models" rel="nofollow">Rivendell Bicycle Works</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/05/12/use-your-economic-stimulus-check-to-buy-a-bicycle/#comment-18442</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proj: Bikes still come in all shapes and sizes. If you want cheap, you get heavy Chinese steel. My tandem "mountain" bike (eBay, $250 delivered) is like that. Most tandems are over $1000, but weigh considerably less.

But the best deal in bikes is to buy used. Many people with too much money buy fancy bikes, ride them for a season, let them collect dust for a decade, and then get rid of them. Find a bike salvage shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proj: Bikes still come in all shapes and sizes. If you want cheap, you get heavy Chinese steel. My tandem &#8220;mountain&#8221; bike (eBay, $250 delivered) is like that. Most tandems are over $1000, but weigh considerably less.</p>
<p>But the best deal in bikes is to buy used. Many people with too much money buy fancy bikes, ride them for a season, let them collect dust for a decade, and then get rid of them. Find a bike salvage shop.</p>
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		<title>By: projektleiterin</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/05/12/use-your-economic-stimulus-check-to-buy-a-bicycle/#comment-18428</link>
		<dc:creator>projektleiterin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you noticed how heavy the new bikes have become? I bought a new one last year and although it's fine, I think it's weight makes it less enjoyable. I would like to be able to carry my bike up or down stairs and that's nearly impossible with this bike. I also bought an older used bike and I find myself using it a lot more, despite the wheels being a bit bent, because it's comfortable, much lighter and mobile (?). I haven't seen them sell any normal bike anymore, they all look like they have been made to survive WWIII.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you noticed how heavy the new bikes have become? I bought a new one last year and although it&#8217;s fine, I think it&#8217;s weight makes it less enjoyable. I would like to be able to carry my bike up or down stairs and that&#8217;s nearly impossible with this bike. I also bought an older used bike and I find myself using it a lot more, despite the wheels being a bit bent, because it&#8217;s comfortable, much lighter and mobile (?). I haven&#8217;t seen them sell any normal bike anymore, they all look like they have been made to survive WWIII.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/05/12/use-your-economic-stimulus-check-to-buy-a-bicycle/#comment-18419</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been considering replacing my well-worn 1990-ish bike. Maybe it is a good suggestion.

Perhaps people are feeling their stimulus checks. As &lt;a href="http://mrtitanium.com/art4sale.html" target="_blank" title="MrTitanium's Jewelry" rel="nofollow"&gt;MrTitanium&lt;/a&gt;, I had an unusually profitable weekend; nine orders in 2 days. If I were to keep earning at that rate, MrT's Schedule C  could exceed the poverty line this year.

I've generally been appalled at this "stimulus" since I first heard of it. Think of what capital projects could have been built for the money (about $100,000,000,000)! That's the cost of a couple of dozen new (safer) nuclear power plants, including delays and legal skirmishes, from deciding where to put it through fully fueled and operational. This could have meant new jobs for thousands of people.

Or put it to planting wind power. Texas has enough available wind land to power itself and a dozen other states without using either nuclear or coal. It mainly needs the initial capital investment!

Think of what could have been built for just the cost of distributing the money (official est. $200,000,000)! That's a new interstate from St. Louis to Des Moines (halfway to Minneapolis). Better yet, a high speed rail line all the way up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been considering replacing my well-worn 1990-ish bike. Maybe it is a good suggestion.</p>
<p>Perhaps people are feeling their stimulus checks. As <a href="http://mrtitanium.com/art4sale.html" target="_blank" title="MrTitanium's Jewelry" rel="nofollow">MrTitanium</a>, I had an unusually profitable weekend; nine orders in 2 days. If I were to keep earning at that rate, MrT&#8217;s Schedule C  could exceed the poverty line this year.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve generally been appalled at this &#8220;stimulus&#8221; since I first heard of it. Think of what capital projects could have been built for the money (about $100,000,000,000)! That&#8217;s the cost of a couple of dozen new (safer) nuclear power plants, including delays and legal skirmishes, from deciding where to put it through fully fueled and operational. This could have meant new jobs for thousands of people.</p>
<p>Or put it to planting wind power. Texas has enough available wind land to power itself and a dozen other states without using either nuclear or coal. It mainly needs the initial capital investment!</p>
<p>Think of what could have been built for just the cost of distributing the money (official est. $200,000,000)! That&#8217;s a new interstate from St. Louis to Des Moines (halfway to Minneapolis). Better yet, a high speed rail line all the way up.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/05/12/use-your-economic-stimulus-check-to-buy-a-bicycle/#comment-18418</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grumpy:  The purchase of a bicycle is a terrifically good suggestion for those so-called "economic stimulus payments."   

BTW, what an incredibly wretched name for that transfer of money.  It would be more accurate to call those transfers the "Greedy and ignorant politicians shoving the country further in debt payments" or maybe the "Let's pretend that the U.S. can simply print wealth payments."  

These payments are immoral because they heave a huge new dose of debt on the next generation.  These payments are monuments to our refusal to take real steps to do something positive and meaningful for the financial health of our country.  They are further evidence that we are living in the post-fact era.  Even though I am an agnostic, I'm sometimes tempted to say "God save us." 

Back to bicycles.  You raise an excellent suggestion for how to invest money.  Bicycling is a win-win-win-win for many people.   Many of us at DI chimed in on various aspects of bicycling at an earlier post called "&lt;a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/08/31/make-money-by-commuting-on-your-bicycle/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Make money by commuting on your bicycle."
&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grumpy:  The purchase of a bicycle is a terrifically good suggestion for those so-called &#8220;economic stimulus payments.&#8221;   </p>
<p>BTW, what an incredibly wretched name for that transfer of money.  It would be more accurate to call those transfers the &#8220;Greedy and ignorant politicians shoving the country further in debt payments&#8221; or maybe the &#8220;Let&#8217;s pretend that the U.S. can simply print wealth payments.&#8221;  </p>
<p>These payments are immoral because they heave a huge new dose of debt on the next generation.  These payments are monuments to our refusal to take real steps to do something positive and meaningful for the financial health of our country.  They are further evidence that we are living in the post-fact era.  Even though I am an agnostic, I&#8217;m sometimes tempted to say &#8220;God save us.&#8221; </p>
<p>Back to bicycles.  You raise an excellent suggestion for how to invest money.  Bicycling is a win-win-win-win for many people.   Many of us at DI chimed in on various aspects of bicycling at an earlier post called &#8220;<a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/08/31/make-money-by-commuting-on-your-bicycle/" rel="nofollow">Make money by commuting on your bicycle.&#8221;<br />
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