Comments on: Ben Stein Movie Opens Today http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/18/ben-stein-movie-opens-today/ Human Animals at the Crossroads of Culture, Science, Religion and Media Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:09:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Dan Klarmann http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/18/ben-stein-movie-opens-today/#comment-20266 Dan Klarmann Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:12:29 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=2455#comment-20266 According to this <a href="http://www.canadianchristianity.com/bc/bccn/0708/01expelled.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">almost favorable Canadian review</a>, Expelled fought all legal challenges because it <blockquote>needed to remain as it is because it may have an impact on the American presidential election in November.</blockquote> As I've been saying, this year's "morals" election issue is Intelligent Design. According to this almost favorable Canadian review, Expelled fought all legal challenges because it
needed to remain as it is because it may have an impact on the American presidential election in November.

As I’ve been saying, this year’s “morals” election issue is Intelligent Design.

]]> By: Erich Vieth http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/18/ben-stein-movie-opens-today/#comment-17854 Erich Vieth Thu, 24 Apr 2008 05:10:46 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=2455#comment-17854 Scientific American has published this article on Stein's film, entitled "Six Things in Expelled That Ben Stein Doesn't Want You to Know...about intelligent design and evolution." http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=six-things-ben-stein-doesnt-want-you-to-know Scientific American has published this article on Stein’s film, entitled “Six Things in Expelled That Ben Stein Doesn’t Want You to Know…about intelligent design and evolution.” http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=six-things-ben-stein-doesnt-want-you-to-know

]]> By: Dan Klarmann http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/18/ben-stein-movie-opens-today/#comment-17840 Dan Klarmann Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:17:12 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=2455#comment-17840 One confusion I see in many Expelled reviews is that between the principle of free speech, and that of reasoned discourse. Presumably academics in general would be happy to see Intelligent Design examined in philosophy courses, along with the Young Earth, the Flat Earth, 9/11 "Truth", and UFO-logy. But there is no science there. If any of these studies were to find actual verifiable evidence, then it would eventually be appropriate to move the discussion into science courses. But Expelled takes institutions to task for not promoting people hired as scientists, because they failed to do the jobs that they were hired for while promoting their philosophical ideas. Not because they espoused those ideas. They aren't presented in the movie, but the actual facts of the specific cases in the movie are easy to find online. Most reviews so far admire Stein for his creation of such a marketable level of public controversy, based on so little. Stein will do well for himself, but I'm afraid ill for the future of education in this country. One confusion I see in many Expelled reviews is that between the principle of free speech, and that of reasoned discourse. Presumably academics in general would be happy to see Intelligent Design examined in philosophy courses, along with the Young Earth, the Flat Earth, 9/11 “Truth”, and UFO-logy. But there is no science there.

If any of these studies were to find actual verifiable evidence, then it would eventually be appropriate to move the discussion into science courses. But Expelled takes institutions to task for not promoting people hired as scientists, because they failed to do the jobs that they were hired for while promoting their philosophical ideas. Not because they espoused those ideas. They aren’t presented in the movie, but the actual facts of the specific cases in the movie are easy to find online.

Most reviews so far admire Stein for his creation of such a marketable level of public controversy, based on so little. Stein will do well for himself, but I’m afraid ill for the future of education in this country.

]]> By: patrick http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/18/ben-stein-movie-opens-today/#comment-17837 patrick Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:03:18 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=2455#comment-17837 just saw Expelled; the fact that Ben Stein isn't trying to win any popularity contests helps to validate his message... i gather that his goal is to promote free thought, especially more thinking about the worldviews that drive American academia just saw Expelled; the fact that Ben Stein isn’t trying to win any popularity contests helps to validate his message… i gather that his goal is to promote free thought, especially more thinking about the worldviews that drive American academia

]]> By: Dan Klarmann http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/18/ben-stein-movie-opens-today/#comment-17776 Dan Klarmann Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:40:09 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=2455#comment-17776 You can find positive reviews of the Ben Stein movie. The vast majority are negative. But positive reviews do appear online, on sites run by the Discovery Institute. They use several sites whose url's appear to be science sites, like EvolutionNews.org. But you can find the pedigree pretty quickly. If anyone sees a positive review not produced by members of the Institute of Creationism Research or its ID descendant, let me know. You can find positive reviews of the Ben Stein movie. The vast majority are negative. But positive reviews do appear online, on sites run by the Discovery Institute. They use several sites whose url’s appear to be science sites, like EvolutionNews.org. But you can find the pedigree pretty quickly.

If anyone sees a positive review not produced by members of the Institute of Creationism Research or its ID descendant, let me know.

]]> By: Dan Klarmann http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/18/ben-stein-movie-opens-today/#comment-17754 Dan Klarmann Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:50:42 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=2455#comment-17754 Some links related to the movie Expelled (most from my earlier post): Part 22 of the "Why do People Laugh at Creationists?" series: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NiNGK3y5Ypg PZ Meyers expelled from a screening of the movie he is in: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/a_late_night_quick_one.php http://www.expelledexposed.com/ http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/08-04-17.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed Articles about screenings for Lawmakers <a href="http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080311/NEWS0120/80311045/1075" target="_blank" title="Florida Expelled" rel="nofollow">Florida</a> <a href="http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/574558.html" target="_blank" title="Expelled Missouri" rel="nofollow">Missouri</a> Some links related to the movie Expelled (most from my earlier post):

Part 22 of the “Why do People Laugh at Creationists?” series:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NiNGK3y5Ypg

PZ Meyers expelled from a screening of the movie he is in:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/a_late_night_quick_one.php

http://www.expelledexposed.com/

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/08-04-17.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed

Articles about screenings for Lawmakers
Florida

Missouri

]]> By: Josh Rosenau http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/18/ben-stein-movie-opens-today/#comment-17753 Josh Rosenau Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:18:07 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=2455#comment-17753 You might want to check out ExpelledExposed.com for more background on this movie. You might want to check out ExpelledExposed.com for more background on this movie.

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