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	<title>Comments on: Why Atheism Doesn&#8217;t Matter, but Skepticism Does.</title>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/09/why-atheism-doesnt-matter-but-skepticism-does/comment-page-2/#comment-21643</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another scientist tells her story.   &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2008/07/living_the_thinking_life.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here's the link. &lt;/a&gt;

"All children are born Atheists; they have no idea of God."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another scientist tells her story.   <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2008/07/living_the_thinking_life.php" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s the link. </a></p>
<p>&#8220;All children are born Atheists; they have no idea of God.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Price</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/09/why-atheism-doesnt-matter-but-skepticism-does/comment-page-2/#comment-17594</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lifeformz: As I see it, of course you can be a Christian and a scientist at the same time. Science can't really make any claims as to the beliefs you listed- you can almost think of them as ascientific rather than unscientific claims. Science deals with observable phenomena, and since a God can't be proven or disproven, where a particular person falls on that issue doesn't really matter. As long as a person realizes this, and doesn't try to infuse science with God, or God with science, I don't think there is any problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lifeformz: As I see it, of course you can be a Christian and a scientist at the same time. Science can&#8217;t really make any claims as to the beliefs you listed- you can almost think of them as ascientific rather than unscientific claims. Science deals with observable phenomena, and since a God can&#8217;t be proven or disproven, where a particular person falls on that issue doesn&#8217;t really matter. As long as a person realizes this, and doesn&#8217;t try to infuse science with God, or God with science, I don&#8217;t think there is any problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/09/why-atheism-doesnt-matter-but-skepticism-does/comment-page-2/#comment-17592</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forests are only short-term carbon sinks. A tree might contain carbon for a century or so, in some rare species for up to a couple of thousand years. Then the tree dies, and the carbon returns to the biosphere, troposphere, and on up to the stratosphere. This is because the tree rots (is eaten) or burns and its carbon fuels bacteria, fungi and animals who exhale it. Planting trees can help in the short term, only if they are never harvested.

True carbon sinks are corals, shellfish, and diatoms that grow shells (carbonate) and then die and sink to the bottom of the sea (limestone). The carbon is not released again until that piece of sea floor is subducted, heated beyond 800 degrees, and the carbon eventually vented from volcanoes.

100 grams of limestone (30 cc's, 1.1 fluid ounces) keeps 44 grams (22.4 liters, 755 fl.oz, 5.9 gallons) of carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere.

Venus has no limestone because it is too hot. Once Venus cools below 700 degrees or so, then limestone can form, and the thick CO&lt;sub&gt;2&lt;/sub&gt; atmosphere will start to rapidly thin by chemical, and eventually biological means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forests are only short-term carbon sinks. A tree might contain carbon for a century or so, in some rare species for up to a couple of thousand years. Then the tree dies, and the carbon returns to the biosphere, troposphere, and on up to the stratosphere. This is because the tree rots (is eaten) or burns and its carbon fuels bacteria, fungi and animals who exhale it. Planting trees can help in the short term, only if they are never harvested.</p>
<p>True carbon sinks are corals, shellfish, and diatoms that grow shells (carbonate) and then die and sink to the bottom of the sea (limestone). The carbon is not released again until that piece of sea floor is subducted, heated beyond 800 degrees, and the carbon eventually vented from volcanoes.</p>
<p>100 grams of limestone (30 cc&#8217;s, 1.1 fluid ounces) keeps 44 grams (22.4 liters, 755 fl.oz, 5.9 gallons) of carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere.</p>
<p>Venus has no limestone because it is too hot. Once Venus cools below 700 degrees or so, then limestone can form, and the thick CO<sub>2</sub> atmosphere will start to rapidly thin by chemical, and eventually biological means.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/09/why-atheism-doesnt-matter-but-skepticism-does/comment-page-2/#comment-17589</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3. Scientists Close In On Missing Carbon Sink

ScienceDaily (Jun. 22, 2007) — Forests in the United States and other northern mid- and upper-latitude regions are playing a smaller role in offsetting global warming than previously thought, according to a study appearing in Science this week. The study, which sheds light on the so-called missing carbon sink, concludes that intact tropical forests are removing an unexpectedly high proportion of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, partially offsetting carbon entering the air through industrial emissions and deforestation.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070621140805.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3. Scientists Close In On Missing Carbon Sink</p>
<p>ScienceDaily (Jun. 22, 2007) — Forests in the United States and other northern mid- and upper-latitude regions are playing a smaller role in offsetting global warming than previously thought, according to a study appearing in Science this week. The study, which sheds light on the so-called missing carbon sink, concludes that intact tropical forests are removing an unexpectedly high proportion of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, partially offsetting carbon entering the air through industrial emissions and deforestation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070621140805.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070621140805.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/09/why-atheism-doesnt-matter-but-skepticism-does/comment-page-2/#comment-17588</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2. Myth: "Climate models don't work.  They don't even 'predict' the past."

Hansen's model is shown below as the black line.  The blue line with stars is the actual temperature data we have.  As you can see the model reflects the observed temperature data very well.  This is very strong proof that the models do in fact work.  What is especially striking is the fact that the models "are not statistical, but are physical in nature."  Statistical models use training data to find correlations.  For example a batting average in baseball is based off of ones batting history.  This can be used as a statistical model to predict the future.  A physical model of a player at bat would likely use equations based on the velocity of the baseball, force of the swing, etc and ignore the players batting history.  The climate models used by the IPCC and NASA are not statistical models.  NASA's climate models make their predictions based off of the laws of physics.  Since the models are based off of physics comparing them to the past is almost as good as testing them with predictions of the future.  Another advantage of physical models over statistical models is best described by physicist Ulf Bossel: "the laws of physics are eternal and cannot be changed with additional research, venture capital or majority votes." 

http://www.logicalscience.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2. Myth: &#8220;Climate models don&#8217;t work.  They don&#8217;t even &#8216;predict&#8217; the past.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hansen&#8217;s model is shown below as the black line.  The blue line with stars is the actual temperature data we have.  As you can see the model reflects the observed temperature data very well.  This is very strong proof that the models do in fact work.  What is especially striking is the fact that the models &#8220;are not statistical, but are physical in nature.&#8221;  Statistical models use training data to find correlations.  For example a batting average in baseball is based off of ones batting history.  This can be used as a statistical model to predict the future.  A physical model of a player at bat would likely use equations based on the velocity of the baseball, force of the swing, etc and ignore the players batting history.  The climate models used by the IPCC and NASA are not statistical models.  NASA&#8217;s climate models make their predictions based off of the laws of physics.  Since the models are based off of physics comparing them to the past is almost as good as testing them with predictions of the future.  Another advantage of physical models over statistical models is best described by physicist Ulf Bossel: &#8220;the laws of physics are eternal and cannot be changed with additional research, venture capital or majority votes.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.logicalscience.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.logicalscience.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/09/why-atheism-doesnt-matter-but-skepticism-does/comment-page-1/#comment-17587</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2. Myth: "Climate models don't work.  They don't even 'predict' the past."

Hansen's model is shown below as the black line.  The blue line with stars is the actual temperature data we have.  As you can see the model reflects the observed temperature data very well.  This is very strong proof that the models do in fact work.  What is especially striking is the fact that the models "are not statistical, but are physical in nature."  Statistical models use training data to find correlations.  For example a batting average in baseball is based off of ones batting history.  This can be used as a statistical model to predict the future.  A physical model of a player at bat would likely use equations based on the velocity of the baseball, force of the swing, etc and ignore the players batting history.  The climate models used by the IPCC and NASA are not statistical models.  NASA's climate models make their predictions based off of the laws of physics.  Since the models are based off of physics comparing them to the past is almost as good as testing them with predictions of the future.  Another advantage of physical models over statistical models is best described by physicist Ulf Bossel: "the laws of physics are eternal and cannot be changed with additional research, venture capital or majority votes." 

http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptic_arguments/models-dont-work.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2. Myth: &#8220;Climate models don&#8217;t work.  They don&#8217;t even &#8216;predict&#8217; the past.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hansen&#8217;s model is shown below as the black line.  The blue line with stars is the actual temperature data we have.  As you can see the model reflects the observed temperature data very well.  This is very strong proof that the models do in fact work.  What is especially striking is the fact that the models &#8220;are not statistical, but are physical in nature.&#8221;  Statistical models use training data to find correlations.  For example a batting average in baseball is based off of ones batting history.  This can be used as a statistical model to predict the future.  A physical model of a player at bat would likely use equations based on the velocity of the baseball, force of the swing, etc and ignore the players batting history.  The climate models used by the IPCC and NASA are not statistical models.  NASA&#8217;s climate models make their predictions based off of the laws of physics.  Since the models are based off of physics comparing them to the past is almost as good as testing them with predictions of the future.  Another advantage of physical models over statistical models is best described by physicist Ulf Bossel: &#8220;the laws of physics are eternal and cannot be changed with additional research, venture capital or majority votes.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptic_arguments/models-dont-work.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptic_arguments/models-dont-work.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/09/why-atheism-doesnt-matter-but-skepticism-does/comment-page-1/#comment-17586</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Does this prove that CO2 doesn't cause global warming? The answer is no.

The reason has to do with the fact that the warmings take about 5000 years to be complete. The lag is only 800 years. All that the lag shows is that CO2 did not cause the first 800 years of warming, out of the 5000 year trend. The other 4200 years of warming could in fact have been caused by CO2, as far as we can tell from this ice core data. 

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/co2-in-ice-cores/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Does this prove that CO2 doesn&#8217;t cause global warming? The answer is no.</p>
<p>The reason has to do with the fact that the warmings take about 5000 years to be complete. The lag is only 800 years. All that the lag shows is that CO2 did not cause the first 800 years of warming, out of the 5000 year trend. The other 4200 years of warming could in fact have been caused by CO2, as far as we can tell from this ice core data. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/co2-in-ice-cores/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/co2-in-ice-cores/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/09/why-atheism-doesnt-matter-but-skepticism-does/comment-page-1/#comment-17585</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The evidence is mounting that autism is primarily a genetic disorder."

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2007/06/who_are_the_denialists_part_iv.php

"The benefits of vaccination are clear. But there is a pervasive distrust among some people of medicine, of pharmaceutical companies, and when something needs to be blamed for a child's illness, vaccines seem to be an easy target."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The evidence is mounting that autism is primarily a genetic disorder.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2007/06/who_are_the_denialists_part_iv.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2007/06/who_are_the_denialists_part_iv.php</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The benefits of vaccination are clear. But there is a pervasive distrust among some people of medicine, of pharmaceutical companies, and when something needs to be blamed for a child&#8217;s illness, vaccines seem to be an easy target.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/09/why-atheism-doesnt-matter-but-skepticism-does/comment-page-1/#comment-17582</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2. Climate myths: Ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming

http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptic_arguments/models-dont-work.html
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11659

3. Scientists Close In On Missing Carbon Sink

ScienceDaily (Jun. 22, 2007) — Forests in the United States and other northern mid- and upper-latitude regions are playing a smaller role in offsetting global warming than previously thought, according to a study appearing in Science this week. The study, which sheds light on the so-called missing carbon sink, concludes that intact tropical forests are removing an unexpectedly high proportion of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, partially offsetting carbon entering the air through industrial emissions and deforestation.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070621140805.htm3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2. Climate myths: Ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming</p>
<p><a href="http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptic_arguments/models-dont-work.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptic_arguments/models-dont-work.html</a><br />
<a href="http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11659" rel="nofollow">http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11659</a></p>
<p>3. Scientists Close In On Missing Carbon Sink</p>
<p>ScienceDaily (Jun. 22, 2007) — Forests in the United States and other northern mid- and upper-latitude regions are playing a smaller role in offsetting global warming than previously thought, according to a study appearing in Science this week. The study, which sheds light on the so-called missing carbon sink, concludes that intact tropical forests are removing an unexpectedly high proportion of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, partially offsetting carbon entering the air through industrial emissions and deforestation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070621140805.htm3" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070621140805.htm3</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/04/09/why-atheism-doesnt-matter-but-skepticism-does/comment-page-1/#comment-17579</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. "What does the lag of CO2 behind temperature in ice cores tell us about global warming?"

This is an issue that is often misunderstood in the public sphere and media, so it is worth spending some time to explain it and clarify it. At least three careful ice core studies have shown that CO2 starts to rise about 800 years (600-1000 years) after Antarctic temperature during glacial terminations. These terminations are pronounced warming periods that mark the ends of the ice ages that happen every 100,000 years or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. &#8220;What does the lag of CO2 behind temperature in ice cores tell us about global warming?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is an issue that is often misunderstood in the public sphere and media, so it is worth spending some time to explain it and clarify it. At least three careful ice core studies have shown that CO2 starts to rise about 800 years (600-1000 years) after Antarctic temperature during glacial terminations. These terminations are pronounced warming periods that mark the ends of the ice ages that happen every 100,000 years or so.</p>
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