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	<title>Comments on: Obama on the meaning of &#8220;We the People&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/18/obama-on-the-meaning-of-we-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-17118</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did Jeremiah Wright actually say?  What was the full context of his "controversial" sermon?   This article summarizes the sermon and gives you a link so that you can listen for yourself.  http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did Jeremiah Wright actually say?  What was the full context of his &#8220;controversial&#8221; sermon?   This article summarizes the sermon and gives you a link so that you can listen for yourself.  <a href="http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/" rel="nofollow">http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/the-full-story-behind-rev-jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/18/obama-on-the-meaning-of-we-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-17097</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a long impassioned interpretation of what Jeremiah Wright believed and why it's not as outrageous as it is now being characterized:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Barack Obama may lose the support of just enough white folks to cost him the Democratic nomination, and/or the Presidency; all of it, because Jeremiah Wright, unlike most preachers opted for truth. If he had been one of those "prosperity ministers" who says Jesus wants nothing so much as for you to be rich, like Joel Osteen, that would have been fine. Had he been a retread bigot like Falwell was, or Pat Robertson is, he might have been criticized, but he would have remained in good standing and surely not have damaged a Presidential candidate in this way. But unlike Osteen, and Falwell, and Robertson, Jeremiah Wright refused to feed his parishioners lies. 

What Jeremiah Wright knows, and told his flock--though make no mistake, they already knew it--is that 9/11 was neither the first, nor worst act of terrorism on American soil. The history of this nation for folks of color, was for generations, nothing less than an intergenerational hate crime, one in which 9/11s were woven into the fabric of everyday life: hundreds of thousands of the enslaved who died from the conditions of their bondage; thousands more who were lynched (as many as 10,000 in the first few years after the Civil War, according to testimony in the Congressional Record at the time); millions of indigenous persons wiped off the face of the Earth. No, to some, the horror of 9/11 was not new. To some it was not on that day that "everything changed." To some, everything changed four hundred years ago, when that first ship landed at what would become Jamestown. To some, everything changed when their ancestors were forced into the hulls of slave ships at Goree Island and brought to a strange land as chattel. To some, everything changed when they were run out of Northern Mexico, only to watch it become the Southwest United States, thanks to a war of annihilation initiated by the U.S. government. To some, being on the receiving end of terrorism has been a way of life. Until recently it was absolutely normal in fact. &lt;/blockquote&gt;


For the full article, &lt;a href="http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/NationalLies.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;go here. &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a long impassioned interpretation of what Jeremiah Wright believed and why it&#8217;s not as outrageous as it is now being characterized:</p>
<blockquote><p>Barack Obama may lose the support of just enough white folks to cost him the Democratic nomination, and/or the Presidency; all of it, because Jeremiah Wright, unlike most preachers opted for truth. If he had been one of those &#8220;prosperity ministers&#8221; who says Jesus wants nothing so much as for you to be rich, like Joel Osteen, that would have been fine. Had he been a retread bigot like Falwell was, or Pat Robertson is, he might have been criticized, but he would have remained in good standing and surely not have damaged a Presidential candidate in this way. But unlike Osteen, and Falwell, and Robertson, Jeremiah Wright refused to feed his parishioners lies. </p>
<p>What Jeremiah Wright knows, and told his flock&#8211;though make no mistake, they already knew it&#8211;is that 9/11 was neither the first, nor worst act of terrorism on American soil. The history of this nation for folks of color, was for generations, nothing less than an intergenerational hate crime, one in which 9/11s were woven into the fabric of everyday life: hundreds of thousands of the enslaved who died from the conditions of their bondage; thousands more who were lynched (as many as 10,000 in the first few years after the Civil War, according to testimony in the Congressional Record at the time); millions of indigenous persons wiped off the face of the Earth. No, to some, the horror of 9/11 was not new. To some it was not on that day that &#8220;everything changed.&#8221; To some, everything changed four hundred years ago, when that first ship landed at what would become Jamestown. To some, everything changed when their ancestors were forced into the hulls of slave ships at Goree Island and brought to a strange land as chattel. To some, everything changed when they were run out of Northern Mexico, only to watch it become the Southwest United States, thanks to a war of annihilation initiated by the U.S. government. To some, being on the receiving end of terrorism has been a way of life. Until recently it was absolutely normal in fact. </p></blockquote>
<p>For the full article, <a href="http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/NationalLies.html" rel="nofollow">go here. </a></p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/18/obama-on-the-meaning-of-we-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-17007</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Jeremiah Wright was once a White House guest -- of Bill Clinton.   This photo was published by &lt;a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Jeremiah_Wright_was_White_House_guest.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ben Smith's blog. &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Jeremiah Wright was once a White House guest &#8212; of Bill Clinton.   This photo was published by <a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Jeremiah_Wright_was_White_House_guest.html" rel="nofollow">Ben Smith&#8217;s blog. </a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/18/obama-on-the-meaning-of-we-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-16992</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you notice how MediaMatters article quoted the outrageous line several times in several different typefaces, but never actually commented on it? I think they are just trying to woo search engine traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you notice how MediaMatters article quoted the outrageous line several times in several different typefaces, but never actually commented on it? I think they are just trying to woo search engine traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/18/obama-on-the-meaning-of-we-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-16982</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And on the far right . . . who could have predicted how unhinged neocon radio could get over Obama's speech?   Here's an outrageous example:  http://mediamatters.org/items/200803190006?f=h_latest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on the far right . . . who could have predicted how unhinged neocon radio could get over Obama&#8217;s speech?   Here&#8217;s an outrageous example:  <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200803190006?f=h_latest" rel="nofollow">http://mediamatters.org/items/200803190006?f=h_latest</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/18/obama-on-the-meaning-of-we-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-16980</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now we know that this speech wasn't written by a committee.  Barack Obama wrote this entire speech himself.    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/18/17135/6770/569/465227</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now we know that this speech wasn&#8217;t written by a committee.  Barack Obama wrote this entire speech himself.    <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/18/17135/6770/569/465227" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/18/17135/6770/569/465227</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/18/obama-on-the-meaning-of-we-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-16969</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan:  I agree whole-heartedly with your observation.   I do believe that many conservatives are essentialists at heart.   Conservatives are not strong believers in earthly redemption and change (though they do believe in flip-the-switch heavenly redemption].   Bad people will always be bad.  They speak of the poor as though the are an permanent subset.  

Their actions betray a belief in a blessed minority of privileged people who should remain affluent and in power because, well, because they just should be.  Women, blacks, gays and other outsiders will never completely be accepted--because "they" are different in a monolithic way.   Conservatives are fond of quoting Matthew's "For you always have the poor with you," while only giving lip-service to the idea that millions of poor people have shown the resilience and determination to pull themselves up from difficult circumstances.  

Ironically, conservatives cling to a vision of a static caste system, even as American culture deteriorates in tems of wages, jobs, morals and innovative spirit.  

Obama is describing a society that recognizing its capacity to change for the better. Yes, to evolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:  I agree whole-heartedly with your observation.   I do believe that many conservatives are essentialists at heart.   Conservatives are not strong believers in earthly redemption and change (though they do believe in flip-the-switch heavenly redemption].   Bad people will always be bad.  They speak of the poor as though the are an permanent subset.  </p>
<p>Their actions betray a belief in a blessed minority of privileged people who should remain affluent and in power because, well, because they just should be.  Women, blacks, gays and other outsiders will never completely be accepted&#8211;because &#8220;they&#8221; are different in a monolithic way.   Conservatives are fond of quoting Matthew&#8217;s &#8220;For you always have the poor with you,&#8221; while only giving lip-service to the idea that millions of poor people have shown the resilience and determination to pull themselves up from difficult circumstances.  </p>
<p>Ironically, conservatives cling to a vision of a static caste system, even as American culture deteriorates in tems of wages, jobs, morals and innovative spirit.  </p>
<p>Obama is describing a society that recognizing its capacity to change for the better. Yes, to evolve.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/18/obama-on-the-meaning-of-we-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-16967</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was any doubt about what we have missed in the anti-intellectual, ruthlessly incurious Bush years, and even the slippery Clinton ones (the years of "what is is"), those doubts were laid to rest by Barack Obama's magisterial speech today. A speech in which he distanced himself from a flawed father figure, Reverend Wright, and did so with almost Shakespearian dignity and honor. 

&lt;a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robbie-baitz/a-bright-shining-moment_b_92100.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Jon Robin Baitz, on Huffpo&lt;/a&gt;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was any doubt about what we have missed in the anti-intellectual, ruthlessly incurious Bush years, and even the slippery Clinton ones (the years of &#8220;what is is&#8221;), those doubts were laid to rest by Barack Obama&#8217;s magisterial speech today. A speech in which he distanced himself from a flawed father figure, Reverend Wright, and did so with almost Shakespearian dignity and honor. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robbie-baitz/a-bright-shining-moment_b_92100.html" rel="nofollow">Jon Robin Baitz, on Huffpo</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/18/obama-on-the-meaning-of-we-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-16966</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we we can regard Obama as a student who has surpassed his teacher in wisdom and serenity. 

[&lt;a href="http://soupytrumpet.com/2008/03/19/obamas-speech-on-race-jeremiah-wright-and-the-crux-of-the-issue-a-challenge-to-the-critics/" rel="nofollow"&gt;From a post on Soupy Trumpet&lt;/a&gt;]  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we we can regard Obama as a student who has surpassed his teacher in wisdom and serenity. </p>
<p>[<a href="http://soupytrumpet.com/2008/03/19/obamas-speech-on-race-jeremiah-wright-and-the-crux-of-the-issue-a-challenge-to-the-critics/" rel="nofollow">From a post on Soupy Trumpet</a>]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/03/18/obama-on-the-meaning-of-we-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-16962</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we are again faced with an example of the dichotomy between those who recognize that everything evolves (like our society), and those who think that everything is as it always was and can only change in insignificant ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we are again faced with an example of the dichotomy between those who recognize that everything evolves (like our society), and those who think that everything is as it always was and can only change in insignificant ways.</p>
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