Will IE 8 Break the Web?
March 13th, 2008 by Dan KlarmannThis is an interesting concern. I’ve been following the issue from sources like this and this. It turns out the Microsoft is planning to finally pay full regard to the standards board that was in place before Microsoft joined the web.
Internet Explorer has been a very forgiving browsing environment, and therefore has been enabling shoddy design practice for a dozen years. Now the chickens may be coming home to roost as IE 8 (might) follow established standards and require correctly coded pages that will look and behave the same in all browsers.
The problem they have is to decide whether they can afford to initially alienate all those Microsoft-only website developers by implementing the international standard with their next release. It is the socially responsible thing to do, but there will be whining. Badly coded web pages will look as bad in IE8 as they already do in all the other browsers.
March 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
I thought the web designers were complaining that IE was not adhering to the W3C web standards and that they were therefore forced to use hacks to make their websites look right?
March 13th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
As an Opera user, I welcome this. It’s frustrating visiting sites that don’t work with Opera and knowing, with reasonable certainty, that it’s not Opera’s fault. Opera adamantly defends that they play strictly by the rules; it’s about time that Microsoft did, too.
March 13th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
There are some features that IE never properly implemented. Some complex pages have to be designed to serve one page to IE and another for all the other browsers.
From the MS perspective, the worse problem is that sites designed only for IE will not work as well in IE 8. For the rest of us, bravo to latecomer Microsoft for finally giving up their pose as a leader on the web. They may still hold the most desktops (hostage), but their stock is fading as open source offerings proliferate.
Disclosure: Although I am a FireFox partisan, and used Netscape for years before IE first came out, I have Windows XP on my machines, and use MS Office more often than its free counterpart, OpenOffice.
March 15th, 2008 at 6:43 am
projektleiterin: “I thought the web designers were complaining that IE was not adhering to the W3C web standards and that they were therefore forced to use hacks to make their websites look right?”
The ‘real’ web designers have been, yes.
But there’s a world of web sites out there coded by people who know just enough HTML and CSS to be dangerous, and which were not so much designed as merely hacked away at until they finally rendered somewhat decently in IE. These sites typically break in W3C-compliant browsers like Safari, Firefox, and Opera (although Firefox has gotten pretty good at handling broken sites gracefully). It’s *this* category of casual / naive web developer that is likely to complain about Microsoft’s decision.
But in response to the title, “Will IE 8 Break the Web?” No, the web is already broken; all IE 8 will do is to force the bad web developers to finally own up to this.
March 18th, 2008 at 9:56 am
An interesting explanation of this here.
March 18th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Edgar, excellent article. I hope they at least have a “designer’s mode” to help those who compose pages meet the standards, whatever they may be. I remember when Netscape 3 was more forgiving than the newer IE 1.0. I scrambled for days to fix my “bad” pages that looked fine in Netscape, AOL, and Mozilla, but not in IE.
Now, the tables are turning.