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		<title>By: Erika Price</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/02/08/single-issue-anyone/#comment-16083</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have begun to wonder whether ISSUE voting is a good idea at all. We cannot predict what unforeseen crises will arise in a President's tenure; we can't have any assurance that they will face the issues they stood for during their campaign. We can't even count on an elected official to take the side of the issue he vowed to us- many Republicans were no doubt outraged when Bush pardoned Bill Clinton despite vowing not to do so on the campaign trail in 2000. 

All of this leaves me inclined to think that leadership style should carry much more weight. We should all ask ourselves: how does this candidate make decisions? With what kind of people does this person associate; on whom does he fall back when facing a hard choice? Can this person admit mistakes? Can this person do something unpopular with their party if they think it is the most sensible thing? Can they sift through facts and separate  valid arguments from foolish ones? And so on. 

Such things, of course, prove much harder to glean than a knee-jerk, single-issue stance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have begun to wonder whether ISSUE voting is a good idea at all. We cannot predict what unforeseen crises will arise in a President&#8217;s tenure; we can&#8217;t have any assurance that they will face the issues they stood for during their campaign. We can&#8217;t even count on an elected official to take the side of the issue he vowed to us- many Republicans were no doubt outraged when Bush pardoned Bill Clinton despite vowing not to do so on the campaign trail in 2000. </p>
<p>All of this leaves me inclined to think that leadership style should carry much more weight. We should all ask ourselves: how does this candidate make decisions? With what kind of people does this person associate; on whom does he fall back when facing a hard choice? Can this person admit mistakes? Can this person do something unpopular with their party if they think it is the most sensible thing? Can they sift through facts and separate  valid arguments from foolish ones? And so on. </p>
<p>Such things, of course, prove much harder to glean than a knee-jerk, single-issue stance.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tiedemann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/02/08/single-issue-anyone/#comment-16082</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Tiedemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,

If I could answer that question, I'd run for office.  We are faced with bad options all around and no reliable basis for determining anything.  I do not envy our next president.  (Of course, I envy none of them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p>
<p>If I could answer that question, I&#8217;d run for office.  We are faced with bad options all around and no reliable basis for determining anything.  I do not envy our next president.  (Of course, I envy none of them.)</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/02/08/single-issue-anyone/#comment-16076</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

I'm sure that many people would agree with your comment that:

we would be ill-advised to simply pull out until Iraq really does have a security base that works well enough.

What intrigues me is by what criteria are you going to determine that it is working well enough?

It seems to me that the last two thousand years of Middle East history would point to the region constantly teetering from one inherently unstable solution to another at random intervals. Whenever you pull out and however careful you are about your timing you will be well advised to retire to a safe distance and put fingers in both ears.

This week I have been reading No God But God by Reza Aslan, a book about Islam written by a Muslim for the non-Muslim audience. In the introduction he talks about the current Islamophobic trends in many media reports and political speeches comparing them unfavourably with the Crusades; the Republican senator from Oklahoma comes in for some severe criticism in this regard. (I don't intend to get into a debate about whether this approach is justified, I am just setting the scene for the comment that follows). Then Mr Aslan asks us to: Add to this the perception, held by many in the Muslim world, that there is a collusion between the United States and Israel against Muslim interests in general and Palestinian rights in particular, and one can understand how Muslim's resentment and suspicion of the West has only increased, and with disastrous consequences.

From this I would conclude that whatever the US agenda in Iraq, no matter how benevolent you try to be you will always be perceived as being duplicitous and working to some hidden agenda.

If Barack Obama's Secretary of State manages to get one Iraqi to agree on what the day of the week she will have made big progress and I wish her the very best of luck. Yes. We. Can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that many people would agree with your comment that:</p>
<p>we would be ill-advised to simply pull out until Iraq really does have a security base that works well enough.</p>
<p>What intrigues me is by what criteria are you going to determine that it is working well enough?</p>
<p>It seems to me that the last two thousand years of Middle East history would point to the region constantly teetering from one inherently unstable solution to another at random intervals. Whenever you pull out and however careful you are about your timing you will be well advised to retire to a safe distance and put fingers in both ears.</p>
<p>This week I have been reading No God But God by Reza Aslan, a book about Islam written by a Muslim for the non-Muslim audience. In the introduction he talks about the current Islamophobic trends in many media reports and political speeches comparing them unfavourably with the Crusades; the Republican senator from Oklahoma comes in for some severe criticism in this regard. (I don&#8217;t intend to get into a debate about whether this approach is justified, I am just setting the scene for the comment that follows). Then Mr Aslan asks us to: Add to this the perception, held by many in the Muslim world, that there is a collusion between the United States and Israel against Muslim interests in general and Palestinian rights in particular, and one can understand how Muslim&#8217;s resentment and suspicion of the West has only increased, and with disastrous consequences.</p>
<p>From this I would conclude that whatever the US agenda in Iraq, no matter how benevolent you try to be you will always be perceived as being duplicitous and working to some hidden agenda.</p>
<p>If Barack Obama&#8217;s Secretary of State manages to get one Iraqi to agree on what the day of the week she will have made big progress and I wish her the very best of luck. Yes. We. Can.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tiedemann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/02/08/single-issue-anyone/#comment-16064</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Tiedemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

First off, it's hard to tell why people vote the way they do, but in the case of Shrub, he garnered a huge amount of the blue-collar vote and that was clearly not in the interests of blue-collar workers. Maybe they had deluded themselves about what would be in their personal best interest or maybe they all just think that some day we'll somehow all be millionaires, but those who voted for Bush did not vote in their own best interest.

Secondly, when I say we haven't had our faces rubbed in it, I'm not talking about anything other than the fact that, on a person by person level, just what is it we can't do that we were able to do ten years ago? Fifteen? The day comes you go to the grocery and they tell you that you can't buy milk because there isn't any because of the national rationing, or you can't take a book out of the library because it's on a proscribed list, or you can't vote because your income fell below a certain level, or you won't be permitted into a town council meeting for security reasons, or...when the day to day private lives of people who are still trundling their children around to a round of junior sports events, still living and able to make payments on a house they think they'll own someday, still able to eat what they want, when they want it, read what they want when they want it, and can elect to change jobs for personal reasons, when those people are faced with costs and consequences that intrude on their distractions, then they will be having their face rubbed in it. You're talking about people who are already paying attention and count what to many other people are abstract freedoms as essential freedoms.

When you can't walk out your front door and do what you could last year or five years ago, then you will see face rubbing. Till then, as I said, we're "adapting."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>First off, it&#8217;s hard to tell why people vote the way they do, but in the case of Shrub, he garnered a huge amount of the blue-collar vote and that was clearly not in the interests of blue-collar workers. Maybe they had deluded themselves about what would be in their personal best interest or maybe they all just think that some day we&#8217;ll somehow all be millionaires, but those who voted for Bush did not vote in their own best interest.</p>
<p>Secondly, when I say we haven&#8217;t had our faces rubbed in it, I&#8217;m not talking about anything other than the fact that, on a person by person level, just what is it we can&#8217;t do that we were able to do ten years ago? Fifteen? The day comes you go to the grocery and they tell you that you can&#8217;t buy milk because there isn&#8217;t any because of the national rationing, or you can&#8217;t take a book out of the library because it&#8217;s on a proscribed list, or you can&#8217;t vote because your income fell below a certain level, or you won&#8217;t be permitted into a town council meeting for security reasons, or&#8230;when the day to day private lives of people who are still trundling their children around to a round of junior sports events, still living and able to make payments on a house they think they&#8217;ll own someday, still able to eat what they want, when they want it, read what they want when they want it, and can elect to change jobs for personal reasons, when those people are faced with costs and consequences that intrude on their distractions, then they will be having their face rubbed in it. You&#8217;re talking about people who are already paying attention and count what to many other people are abstract freedoms as essential freedoms.</p>
<p>When you can&#8217;t walk out your front door and do what you could last year or five years ago, then you will see face rubbing. Till then, as I said, we&#8217;re &#8220;adapting.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/02/08/single-issue-anyone/#comment-16063</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with much of what you say, but I've always thought of the single issue voters as selfish voters.  For twenty years I've questioned why people in America vote for what benefits them personally rather than what is best for our country.  This is a dangerous precedent because it is also reflected in the way politics works in America--politicians use their offices for their own self interests, so if voters are voting them in for the same reason, who is paying attention to or caring about our country as a whole?  The answer is no one.  That is the saddest fact about America today.  Lastly, I don't know if you are being sarcastic when you say we aren't having our faces rubbed in it, that "by and large we haven't lost anything that matters."  From my perspective, we've lost plenty that matters.  We've lost much of our freedom, we've lost much of our reason, we've lost trillions of dollars, we've lost a quality educational system, we've lost our job security and much of the power we used to have as workers, we've lost regulations of industries, which has produced toxic toys and food and drugs that kill, we've lost trust of our government and one another, we've lost any hope for self sufficiency, we've lost morality, which is evident when we think about most of our imported products being produced by slave labor, we've lost free speech, we've lost any semblance of togetherness or being united as a country...in short, we've lost the ideal of America as a democratic country that is concerned about all citizens, liberty and equality, and if we've lost that we've lost everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with much of what you say, but I&#8217;ve always thought of the single issue voters as selfish voters.  For twenty years I&#8217;ve questioned why people in America vote for what benefits them personally rather than what is best for our country.  This is a dangerous precedent because it is also reflected in the way politics works in America&#8211;politicians use their offices for their own self interests, so if voters are voting them in for the same reason, who is paying attention to or caring about our country as a whole?  The answer is no one.  That is the saddest fact about America today.  Lastly, I don&#8217;t know if you are being sarcastic when you say we aren&#8217;t having our faces rubbed in it, that &#8220;by and large we haven&#8217;t lost anything that matters.&#8221;  From my perspective, we&#8217;ve lost plenty that matters.  We&#8217;ve lost much of our freedom, we&#8217;ve lost much of our reason, we&#8217;ve lost trillions of dollars, we&#8217;ve lost a quality educational system, we&#8217;ve lost our job security and much of the power we used to have as workers, we&#8217;ve lost regulations of industries, which has produced toxic toys and food and drugs that kill, we&#8217;ve lost trust of our government and one another, we&#8217;ve lost any hope for self sufficiency, we&#8217;ve lost morality, which is evident when we think about most of our imported products being produced by slave labor, we&#8217;ve lost free speech, we&#8217;ve lost any semblance of togetherness or being united as a country&#8230;in short, we&#8217;ve lost the ideal of America as a democratic country that is concerned about all citizens, liberty and equality, and if we&#8217;ve lost that we&#8217;ve lost everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/02/08/single-issue-anyone/#comment-16061</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. 
Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.<br />
Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/02/08/single-issue-anyone/#comment-16059</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what we get, when the corporate controled Mainstream Media propaganda mill "pre-selects" the candidates of both parties using selective reporting of the "news".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what we get, when the corporate controled Mainstream Media propaganda mill &#8220;pre-selects&#8221; the candidates of both parties using selective reporting of the &#8220;news&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Edgar Montrose</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2008/02/08/single-issue-anyone/#comment-16057</link>
		<dc:creator>Edgar Montrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your experiences parallel mine, to an almost eerie extent, right down to the Second Amendment.  My transformation was complete before the end of Bush's first term, when I found myself writing a letter to the NRA in which I proclaimed that the 2nd Amendment would have been better protected under Al Gore than it was under George W. Bush, given Bush's destruction of the ENTIRE Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I think that people take single-issue stands because the world is so big and so complex that getting one's mind around the whole thing is just impossible.  So people delude themselves into believing that all the wrong and all the evil in the world would be eliminated if they could just solve that one "monumental, all-encompassing" problem.  It is naive and unsophisticated, but it is also very common.  

It is also not likely to go away soon.  Sure, the solution to the problem is education, but most people don't seem to want to be educated.  They might actually learn that their beliefs are unfounded, you see, and that's just too much for them to bear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your experiences parallel mine, to an almost eerie extent, right down to the Second Amendment.  My transformation was complete before the end of Bush&#8217;s first term, when I found myself writing a letter to the NRA in which I proclaimed that the 2nd Amendment would have been better protected under Al Gore than it was under George W. Bush, given Bush&#8217;s destruction of the ENTIRE Constitution and Bill of Rights.</p>
<p>I think that people take single-issue stands because the world is so big and so complex that getting one&#8217;s mind around the whole thing is just impossible.  So people delude themselves into believing that all the wrong and all the evil in the world would be eliminated if they could just solve that one &#8220;monumental, all-encompassing&#8221; problem.  It is naive and unsophisticated, but it is also very common.  </p>
<p>It is also not likely to go away soon.  Sure, the solution to the problem is education, but most people don&#8217;t seem to want to be educated.  They might actually learn that their beliefs are unfounded, you see, and that&#8217;s just too much for them to bear.</p>
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