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	<title>Comments on: Note to the elderly: Stop doing crossword puzzles to keep your minds active.</title>
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		<title>By: projektleiterin</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/11/19/note-to-the-elderly-stop-doing-crossword-puzzles-to-keep-your-minds-active/#comment-24604</link>
		<dc:creator>projektleiterin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people really would want to do something for their memory than I suggest they learn a new language. Lots of new words to remember, lots of new grammar to remember, maybe lots of new signs to remember. It's an activity that strikes me as more useful and brain stimulating due to its complexity than sitting there and doing crossword puzzles. Unless someone gives me a study with the sources I'm not going to believe that crosswords are more successful at preventing dementia than the green apple you're supposed to eat every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people really would want to do something for their memory than I suggest they learn a new language. Lots of new words to remember, lots of new grammar to remember, maybe lots of new signs to remember. It&#8217;s an activity that strikes me as more useful and brain stimulating due to its complexity than sitting there and doing crossword puzzles. Unless someone gives me a study with the sources I&#8217;m not going to believe that crosswords are more successful at preventing dementia than the green apple you&#8217;re supposed to eat every day.</p>
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		<title>By: rachael</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate what Jack has said about stimulating particular parts of brain.  I hope he will reply to my email and answer my questions.  I am in my 60's, in good shape and well.  I had brain damage when young that significantly affected my short term memory, which had been excellent.  School work, etc in college became much more difficult; reasoning was fine, but notthe memory.  I worry that as I age short term memory loss could worsen.  I am an avid reader, and am working my way thru the encyopedia as well, which I really enjoy.  The books I read are fairly 'heavy' stuff.  Is this enough, or would doing crosswords be enough for me?  It would be of real assistance to get your input, Jack.  Thanks, Rachael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate what Jack has said about stimulating particular parts of brain.  I hope he will reply to my email and answer my questions.  I am in my 60&#8217;s, in good shape and well.  I had brain damage when young that significantly affected my short term memory, which had been excellent.  School work, etc in college became much more difficult; reasoning was fine, but notthe memory.  I worry that as I age short term memory loss could worsen.  I am an avid reader, and am working my way thru the encyopedia as well, which I really enjoy.  The books I read are fairly &#8216;heavy&#8217; stuff.  Is this enough, or would doing crosswords be enough for me?  It would be of real assistance to get your input, Jack.  Thanks, Rachael</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/11/19/note-to-the-elderly-stop-doing-crossword-puzzles-to-keep-your-minds-active/#comment-23642</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's an article that fits in right here.  It's an anti-ode to crossword puzzles:

Isn't it a tragedy, then, a criminal shame, that all their amazing brainpower gets wasted on word games? If they're as smart as they think they are and there were some way to channel their alleged brainpower to something other than word games, we could cure cancer in a month!

Seriously, if their awesome problem-solving brainpower were somehow harvested like wind energy (maybe they could wear little beanies on their heads?) they could solve all the world's problems and have time left over to do an extra double-crostic.

You'll find the full article, by Ron Rosenbaum, "Crossword, Sudoku Plague Threatens America!" at Slate: http://www.slate.com/default.aspx?id=2198171</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an article that fits in right here.  It&#8217;s an anti-ode to crossword puzzles:</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it a tragedy, then, a criminal shame, that all their amazing brainpower gets wasted on word games? If they&#8217;re as smart as they think they are and there were some way to channel their alleged brainpower to something other than word games, we could cure cancer in a month!</p>
<p>Seriously, if their awesome problem-solving brainpower were somehow harvested like wind energy (maybe they could wear little beanies on their heads?) they could solve all the world&#8217;s problems and have time left over to do an extra double-crostic.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll find the full article, by Ron Rosenbaum, &#8220;Crossword, Sudoku Plague Threatens America!&#8221; at Slate: <a href="http://www.slate.com/default.aspx?id=2198171" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/default.aspx?id=2198171</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/11/19/note-to-the-elderly-stop-doing-crossword-puzzles-to-keep-your-minds-active/#comment-16295</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Projextleiterin, I'm not sure how the idea has gotten around that people who do a crossword puzzle do nothing else all day. Is it so hard to imagine a person who enjoys a full day of social activities, then, after dinner, does a crossword puzzle?

You say that "If someone has to do brain exercises in order to avoid brain deterioration it's because the rest of his life is so dull that he needs artificial stimulation". You must not have had any first-hand experience of persons with senile dementia or Alzheimer's Disease. My mother-in-law was enjoying a very full social life, active in her church. Alzheimer's Disease slowly robbed her of that. The onset was so gradual we didn't know that her forgetfulness and occasional confusion was the start of something quite devastating. She had mental stimulation in the form of socialization, but there was no activity in her life that stimulated her brain in the ways that science has found can forestall mental deterioration. Read these lines again, please:

" people could lower their dementia risk by 7% simply by adding one activity per week (such as doing a crossword puzzle or playing a board game) to their schedule. According to the findings of that same study, subjects who did crossword puzzles four days a week had a 47% lower risk of dementia than subjects who did a crossword puzzle just once a week.”

Whether crossword puzzles are boring or not has nothing to do with the therapeutic outcome of doing them.

Perhaps it's too difficult for people to realize that, as we age, aspects of our physical health can diminish. That's pretty much what defines "aging."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Projextleiterin, I&#8217;m not sure how the idea has gotten around that people who do a crossword puzzle do nothing else all day. Is it so hard to imagine a person who enjoys a full day of social activities, then, after dinner, does a crossword puzzle?</p>
<p>You say that &#8220;If someone has to do brain exercises in order to avoid brain deterioration it&#8217;s because the rest of his life is so dull that he needs artificial stimulation&#8221;. You must not have had any first-hand experience of persons with senile dementia or Alzheimer&#8217;s Disease. My mother-in-law was enjoying a very full social life, active in her church. Alzheimer&#8217;s Disease slowly robbed her of that. The onset was so gradual we didn&#8217;t know that her forgetfulness and occasional confusion was the start of something quite devastating. She had mental stimulation in the form of socialization, but there was no activity in her life that stimulated her brain in the ways that science has found can forestall mental deterioration. Read these lines again, please:</p>
<p>&#8221; people could lower their dementia risk by 7% simply by adding one activity per week (such as doing a crossword puzzle or playing a board game) to their schedule. According to the findings of that same study, subjects who did crossword puzzles four days a week had a 47% lower risk of dementia than subjects who did a crossword puzzle just once a week.”</p>
<p>Whether crossword puzzles are boring or not has nothing to do with the therapeutic outcome of doing them.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s too difficult for people to realize that, as we age, aspects of our physical health can diminish. That&#8217;s pretty much what defines &#8220;aging.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: projektleiterin</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/11/19/note-to-the-elderly-stop-doing-crossword-puzzles-to-keep-your-minds-active/#comment-16283</link>
		<dc:creator>projektleiterin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume that when Erich talks about older people engaging in more social activities and contributing to societies he is convinced that by doing they so they do exercise their brain and do stay mentally alert. If someone has to do brain exercises in order to avoid brain deterioration it's because the rest of his life is so dull that he needs artificial stimulation (although I will not yield an inch and still claim that crossword puzzles are boring :D). That's like taking dozens of vitamin supplements in order to make up for your lousy chips-and-coke-diet instead of eating something fresh and healthy. There's no need to treat old people like fragile senile dolls that need to stay at home, where they deteriorate even more (unless they do crossword puzzles of course) when they still can lead an active life with interesting challenges.

Watch some older bodybuilders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAUQd1xfyPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUvjXQHt6QQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfWAjJinySI

These guys are old, but they defy the common belief that with age you lose your energy and become weaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume that when Erich talks about older people engaging in more social activities and contributing to societies he is convinced that by doing they so they do exercise their brain and do stay mentally alert. If someone has to do brain exercises in order to avoid brain deterioration it&#8217;s because the rest of his life is so dull that he needs artificial stimulation (although I will not yield an inch and still claim that crossword puzzles are boring :D). That&#8217;s like taking dozens of vitamin supplements in order to make up for your lousy chips-and-coke-diet instead of eating something fresh and healthy. There&#8217;s no need to treat old people like fragile senile dolls that need to stay at home, where they deteriorate even more (unless they do crossword puzzles of course) when they still can lead an active life with interesting challenges.</p>
<p>Watch some older bodybuilders:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAUQd1xfyPs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAUQd1xfyPs</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUvjXQHt6QQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUvjXQHt6QQ</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfWAjJinySI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfWAjJinySI</a></p>
<p>These guys are old, but they defy the common belief that with age you lose your energy and become weaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/11/19/note-to-the-elderly-stop-doing-crossword-puzzles-to-keep-your-minds-active/#comment-16277</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I'm doing a poor job of conveying information, since I have obviously failed to communicate that Alzheimer's Disease and senile dementia are neurological disorders. They are progressive--- which means that by the time they have become "a diagnosed medical condition" it is too late for treatment. The entire purpose of doing word games is, hopefully, to ~prevent~ the mental deterioration that may result from aging physical systems. Science has discovered that there are certain activities which have been proven effective in combatting such deterioration. Your suggestion is that, because some of those activities are solitary pursuits rather than social ones, that persons at risk of aging-related neurological disorder should avoid them. I suggest that such advice is irresponsible.

Brushing your teeth is a solitary activity. You do it by yourself, and because the mouth is full of foaming toothpaste, it renders social intercourse impossible. Its momentary benefit is that it refreshes the mouth, but that's not why people should do it. The larger purpose of brushing our teeth is to prevent tooth decay and loss. Word play provides similar benefits. It may provide the immediate gratification of indulging in a game, but its larger purpose is to help prevent neurological degeneration.

"But," you may protest, "brushing your teeth is something that only takes up a limited part of your time, leaving the rest of the day open to social activities."

That's certainly true. And the same is also true of doing crossword puzzles and other games that stimulate the hippocampus. There has been NO suggestion that people spend their entire day indulging in word games! Persons at risk of neurological degeneration are NOT told to sit "in a corner" of their house doing word games, isolating themselves from the society of other people. They are merely advised to devote some small portion of their day to the pursuit, leaving the entire rest of the day to engage in more extroverted activities.

I should have thought that that would be obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m doing a poor job of conveying information, since I have obviously failed to communicate that Alzheimer&#8217;s Disease and senile dementia are neurological disorders. They are progressive&#8212; which means that by the time they have become &#8220;a diagnosed medical condition&#8221; it is too late for treatment. The entire purpose of doing word games is, hopefully, to ~prevent~ the mental deterioration that may result from aging physical systems. Science has discovered that there are certain activities which have been proven effective in combatting such deterioration. Your suggestion is that, because some of those activities are solitary pursuits rather than social ones, that persons at risk of aging-related neurological disorder should avoid them. I suggest that such advice is irresponsible.</p>
<p>Brushing your teeth is a solitary activity. You do it by yourself, and because the mouth is full of foaming toothpaste, it renders social intercourse impossible. Its momentary benefit is that it refreshes the mouth, but that&#8217;s not why people should do it. The larger purpose of brushing our teeth is to prevent tooth decay and loss. Word play provides similar benefits. It may provide the immediate gratification of indulging in a game, but its larger purpose is to help prevent neurological degeneration.</p>
<p>&#8220;But,&#8221; you may protest, &#8220;brushing your teeth is something that only takes up a limited part of your time, leaving the rest of the day open to social activities.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s certainly true. And the same is also true of doing crossword puzzles and other games that stimulate the hippocampus. There has been NO suggestion that people spend their entire day indulging in word games! Persons at risk of neurological degeneration are NOT told to sit &#8220;in a corner&#8221; of their house doing word games, isolating themselves from the society of other people. They are merely advised to devote some small portion of their day to the pursuit, leaving the entire rest of the day to engage in more extroverted activities.</p>
<p>I should have thought that that would be obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/11/19/note-to-the-elderly-stop-doing-crossword-puzzles-to-keep-your-minds-active/#comment-16266</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 06:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack:  If someone has a diagnosed medical condition that is causing mental deterioration, they should, by all means, follow the medical advice of their doctor.  

My criticism of the advice (to do crossword puzzles) is that it is ubiquitous and that it is aimed at all older folks as a good way to keep your faculties.  

If you are an older person (whatever that means these days) you are not diagnosed with any medical condition leading to mental deterioration, get off your butt and stay active in the world.  Don't just hunker down with crossword puzzles (per the common advice) and figure that you are keeping your mind sharp.   That is my point.  

If someone wants to do crossword puzzles for fun, fine.  I have no problem with that.  

I object to the notion that doing crosswords is a commendable way for healthy older people or (in the absence of studies comparing the benefits of crossword puzzles versus staying active in one's community) a preferable way to keep one's mind sharp.  Sitting in the corner of one's house and doing crossword puzzles is solipsistic and self-absorbed.  Crosswords have the same general downside as an activity often enjoyed by otherwise healthy youngsters: sitting around playing video games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack:  If someone has a diagnosed medical condition that is causing mental deterioration, they should, by all means, follow the medical advice of their doctor.  </p>
<p>My criticism of the advice (to do crossword puzzles) is that it is ubiquitous and that it is aimed at all older folks as a good way to keep your faculties.  </p>
<p>If you are an older person (whatever that means these days) you are not diagnosed with any medical condition leading to mental deterioration, get off your butt and stay active in the world.  Don&#8217;t just hunker down with crossword puzzles (per the common advice) and figure that you are keeping your mind sharp.   That is my point.  </p>
<p>If someone wants to do crossword puzzles for fun, fine.  I have no problem with that.  </p>
<p>I object to the notion that doing crosswords is a commendable way for healthy older people or (in the absence of studies comparing the benefits of crossword puzzles versus staying active in one&#8217;s community) a preferable way to keep one&#8217;s mind sharp.  Sitting in the corner of one&#8217;s house and doing crossword puzzles is solipsistic and self-absorbed.  Crosswords have the same general downside as an activity often enjoyed by otherwise healthy youngsters: sitting around playing video games.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/11/19/note-to-the-elderly-stop-doing-crossword-puzzles-to-keep-your-minds-active/#comment-16264</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On further thought, an even ~more~ prudent course of action would be to encourage people to engage in word-play activities multiple times during the week, ~and~ encourage them to go out into the community and actively participate. The word-play has proven results in helping to prevent or stave off degeneration of mental faculties. The community-based activities may or may not have neurological benefits, but even if they don't, they would stimulate other aspects of the mind and improve the quality of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On further thought, an even ~more~ prudent course of action would be to encourage people to engage in word-play activities multiple times during the week, ~and~ encourage them to go out into the community and actively participate. The word-play has proven results in helping to prevent or stave off degeneration of mental faculties. The community-based activities may or may not have neurological benefits, but even if they don&#8217;t, they would stimulate other aspects of the mind and improve the quality of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erich wrote:

"And I really would like to see the study I am suggesting, which would anwswer my concern once and for all."

So, even though there is an absence of any study which would show that elders going out and making the community a better place causes them to reduce their risk of Alzheimer's, a truly horrible disease, you still strongly advise that activity, rather than doing crossword puzzles, which have been demonstrated in a scientific study as reducing that risk by nearly half. A more prudent, more rational course of action would be for people at risk of Alzheimer's or dementia to do crossword puzzles (as well as board games and other related brain-stretching exercises) until a study is done that shows, scientifically, that there is equal neurological benefit in community activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erich wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;And I really would like to see the study I am suggesting, which would anwswer my concern once and for all.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, even though there is an absence of any study which would show that elders going out and making the community a better place causes them to reduce their risk of Alzheimer&#8217;s, a truly horrible disease, you still strongly advise that activity, rather than doing crossword puzzles, which have been demonstrated in a scientific study as reducing that risk by nearly half. A more prudent, more rational course of action would be for people at risk of Alzheimer&#8217;s or dementia to do crossword puzzles (as well as board games and other related brain-stretching exercises) until a study is done that shows, scientifically, that there is equal neurological benefit in community activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Baker</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/11/19/note-to-the-elderly-stop-doing-crossword-puzzles-to-keep-your-minds-active/#comment-16258</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, it's funny that you're having this discussion on the day that Erich chose "opsimath" as the word for the day - I first encountered it in Stephen Fry's  &lt;i&gt;The Ode Less Travelled&lt;/i&gt; where he recommends learning to express oneself in traditional poetic forms as an alternative to crossword puzzles.
I highly recommend this book, as it's a great antidote to the way poetry is (not) taught to most English-speakers today. As he puts it very entertainingly, no one puts a 10 year old in front of a piano and says "just express yourself." But because poetry uses language, the tool with which we order pizza and go about our everyday business, nobody thinks it important to teach kids basic English prosody and meter. And it's not only about going by the rules either. he very entertainingly points out how poets like William Blake can break  every rule in the book and still create great poetry.
So if you''re tempted to go out and buy one of those crossword puzzle books, go out and buy Fry's book intstead: http://tinyurl.com/ytglzz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it&#8217;s funny that you&#8217;re having this discussion on the day that Erich chose &#8220;opsimath&#8221; as the word for the day - I first encountered it in Stephen Fry&#8217;s  <i>The Ode Less Travelled</i> where he recommends learning to express oneself in traditional poetic forms as an alternative to crossword puzzles.<br />
I highly recommend this book, as it&#8217;s a great antidote to the way poetry is (not) taught to most English-speakers today. As he puts it very entertainingly, no one puts a 10 year old in front of a piano and says &#8220;just express yourself.&#8221; But because poetry uses language, the tool with which we order pizza and go about our everyday business, nobody thinks it important to teach kids basic English prosody and meter. And it&#8217;s not only about going by the rules either. he very entertainingly points out how poets like William Blake can break  every rule in the book and still create great poetry.<br />
So if you&#8221;re tempted to go out and buy one of those crossword puzzle books, go out and buy Fry&#8217;s book intstead: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ytglzz" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ytglzz</a></p>
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