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	<title>Comments on: I don&#8217;t believe in God, but I do believe in elves.</title>
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		<title>By: Erika Price</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/10/02/i-dont-believe-in-god-but-i-do-believe-in-elves/#comment-22618</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerri, I'm sorry if my post offended you, and I completely understand the reaction. Erich's comment even anticipates such a reaction from those close to people with WS. To reduce a human to a fanciful, imaginary creature belittles their value as a fellow living, breathing, thinking human. 

In this post, I intended to draw out the fact that many imaginary creatures, such as elves, may have come from a primitive misunderstanding of a real biological condition. The same disservice may have occurred in people with Dwarfism; the link to fantasy even remains in the name. I don't think your son, or anyone else with William's Syndrome, is an "elf". I just think a limited understanding of science and medicine created the concept of an "elf" out of a real syndrome. 

You have my most serious apologies for any insult my writing has caused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerri, I&#8217;m sorry if my post offended you, and I completely understand the reaction. Erich&#8217;s comment even anticipates such a reaction from those close to people with WS. To reduce a human to a fanciful, imaginary creature belittles their value as a fellow living, breathing, thinking human. </p>
<p>In this post, I intended to draw out the fact that many imaginary creatures, such as elves, may have come from a primitive misunderstanding of a real biological condition. The same disservice may have occurred in people with Dwarfism; the link to fantasy even remains in the name. I don&#8217;t think your son, or anyone else with William&#8217;s Syndrome, is an &#8220;elf&#8221;. I just think a limited understanding of science and medicine created the concept of an &#8220;elf&#8221; out of a real syndrome. </p>
<p>You have my most serious apologies for any insult my writing has caused.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerri</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/10/02/i-dont-believe-in-god-but-i-do-believe-in-elves/#comment-22553</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this to be insulting, as a WS mom. My baby boy is NOT an elf. I wish people wouldn't write stuff like this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this to be insulting, as a WS mom. My baby boy is NOT an elf. I wish people wouldn&#8217;t write stuff like this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Price</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/10/02/i-dont-believe-in-god-but-i-do-believe-in-elves/#comment-14581</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niklaus: I do agree that IQ has many flaws as a measure of mental merit! However, William's Syndrome comes with many other cognitive drawbacks- such as lacking a "sound theory of mind" the same way autistic children typically do, and also very poor spatial skills and spatial imagination. So even for those that believe we should divide intelligence into different subsets- emotional intelligence, physical intelligence, linguistic, etc, William's people still generally have a very significant drawback. I think in someways IQ provides a useful shorthand if nothing else. 

But the social flair of William's people actually comes from their disability. Brain scans show that people with the syndrome cannot register any kind of social fear- nothing intimidates them in a social setting, and they can't really pick up on negative social cues. That makes them so friendly! You can frown and roll your eyes or look menacingly at a person with William's, and typically they'll respond with their standard friendliness. 

Thanks for sharing your experience and input!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niklaus: I do agree that IQ has many flaws as a measure of mental merit! However, William&#8217;s Syndrome comes with many other cognitive drawbacks- such as lacking a &#8220;sound theory of mind&#8221; the same way autistic children typically do, and also very poor spatial skills and spatial imagination. So even for those that believe we should divide intelligence into different subsets- emotional intelligence, physical intelligence, linguistic, etc, William&#8217;s people still generally have a very significant drawback. I think in someways IQ provides a useful shorthand if nothing else. </p>
<p>But the social flair of William&#8217;s people actually comes from their disability. Brain scans show that people with the syndrome cannot register any kind of social fear- nothing intimidates them in a social setting, and they can&#8217;t really pick up on negative social cues. That makes them so friendly! You can frown and roll your eyes or look menacingly at a person with William&#8217;s, and typically they&#8217;ll respond with their standard friendliness. </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your experience and input!</p>
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		<title>By: Niklaus Pfirsig</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/10/02/i-dont-believe-in-god-but-i-do-believe-in-elves/#comment-14559</link>
		<dc:creator>Niklaus Pfirsig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My older son, who is severely autistic, has a classmate with Williams syndrome. She has been his best buddy since they first met in preschool.  She is very small in stature for her age, looking more like a 6 year-old than the 13 year-old girl that she is. I will call her Mona (not her real name). and to anyone who has met her, it is easy to see the elfish charm.

 My son has infantile autism, meaning that his development was normal until around the age of two, when he started to regress. This is the form of autism that is on the rise.

 His expressive communication skills are almost non-existent, but he is very outgoing. (an unusual trait for autistic individuals) Most children refuse to play with him, however, Mona accepts him unconditionally she looks out for him while he looks out for her.

 It is odd that you would mention IQ.  There is a problem with IQ as a measure of mental ability. The problem is that all foms of testing must assume certain subjective responses as normal. When used to evaluate an individual with cognitive disfunctions, such tests are less than meaningful. The cognitive disfunctions actually shift the priorities away from communications and toward other skills. Since IQ tests rely on the subjects ability to communicate some response, or to respond to communication from the test-giver,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My older son, who is severely autistic, has a classmate with Williams syndrome. She has been his best buddy since they first met in preschool.  She is very small in stature for her age, looking more like a 6 year-old than the 13 year-old girl that she is. I will call her Mona (not her real name). and to anyone who has met her, it is easy to see the elfish charm.</p>
<p> My son has infantile autism, meaning that his development was normal until around the age of two, when he started to regress. This is the form of autism that is on the rise.</p>
<p> His expressive communication skills are almost non-existent, but he is very outgoing. (an unusual trait for autistic individuals) Most children refuse to play with him, however, Mona accepts him unconditionally she looks out for him while he looks out for her.</p>
<p> It is odd that you would mention IQ.  There is a problem with IQ as a measure of mental ability. The problem is that all foms of testing must assume certain subjective responses as normal. When used to evaluate an individual with cognitive disfunctions, such tests are less than meaningful. The cognitive disfunctions actually shift the priorities away from communications and toward other skills. Since IQ tests rely on the subjects ability to communicate some response, or to respond to communication from the test-giver,</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/10/02/i-dont-believe-in-god-but-i-do-believe-in-elves/#comment-14555</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Erika. Your post made me wonder about the use of the term "elf." Is it pejorative to use that term when referring to someone with Williams' Syndrome? Your post does point out the historical ties between the term "elf" and the symptoms (which I did not know). When people used the term "elf" long before Williams was recognized as a medical condition, perhaps they used the term in the same sort of factual way that we attempt in modern times when we use the term "Williams Syndrome." Your article also caused me to wonder whether someone with an IQ of 60 would have sufficient understanding to be insulted by the connotations with North Pole toy makers . . .

When seeing the term "elf" coupled with a medical condition, I recalled my surprise, back in an undergrad psychology course, when I learned that terms like "imbecile," "moron" and "idiot" &lt;a href="http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/whats-the-difference-idiot-vs-moron/ "&gt;were once used as serious professional attempts to describe mental conditions. &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Erika. Your post made me wonder about the use of the term &#8220;elf.&#8221; Is it pejorative to use that term when referring to someone with Williams&#8217; Syndrome? Your post does point out the historical ties between the term &#8220;elf&#8221; and the symptoms (which I did not know). When people used the term &#8220;elf&#8221; long before Williams was recognized as a medical condition, perhaps they used the term in the same sort of factual way that we attempt in modern times when we use the term &#8220;Williams Syndrome.&#8221; Your article also caused me to wonder whether someone with an IQ of 60 would have sufficient understanding to be insulted by the connotations with North Pole toy makers . . .</p>
<p>When seeing the term &#8220;elf&#8221; coupled with a medical condition, I recalled my surprise, back in an undergrad psychology course, when I learned that terms like &#8220;imbecile,&#8221; &#8220;moron&#8221; and &#8220;idiot&#8221; <a href="http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/whats-the-difference-idiot-vs-moron/ ">were once used as serious professional attempts to describe mental conditions. </a></p>
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		<title>By: Erika Price</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/10/02/i-dont-believe-in-god-but-i-do-believe-in-elves/#comment-14551</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NPR has featured a couple of excellent stories on William's syndrome. Listen to them &lt;a href=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6268495&#038;ft=1&#038;f=2 rel="nofollow"&gt; here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5545504 rel="nofollow"&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt; The New York Times also has a fantastic, very lengthy article on William's &lt;a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/magazine/08sociability-t.html?_r=1&#038;oref=slogin rel="nofollow"&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPR has featured a couple of excellent stories on William&#8217;s syndrome. Listen to them <a href=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6268495&#038;ft=1&#038;f=2 rel="nofollow"> here</a> and <a href=http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5545504 rel="nofollow">here.</a> The New York Times also has a fantastic, very lengthy article on William&#8217;s <a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/magazine/08sociability-t.html?_r=1&#038;oref=slogin rel="nofollow"> here</a>.</p>
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