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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/07/24/new-facts-could-disprove-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-17290</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee brings up some oft repeated points. The Dinosaur and human footprints together fallacy is easy to rebut if you can find actual pictures of this site. If humans had 3 toed 16" long feet with a 40" walking stride, then it is very convincing. Most of the Discovery Institute presentations of this fossil record hide the bottoms of the "human" prints in shadow or with water, and then show a footprint of a modern human artfully made to look like a fossil in a separate image.

The idea of evolution came from seriously faithful men. Darwin, one of the 3rd generation of evolutionists, had no science degrees, just a degree in divinity from a Christian institution.

Evolution is not about where everything came from, nor about how life started. It only explains how and why breeds and species change over time.

Keep in mind that the complexity of any system always increases. It is called disorder when one can no longer keep track of the changes.

Science is about explaining nature strictly in terms of nature. Faith only explains nature in terms of mythology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee brings up some oft repeated points. The Dinosaur and human footprints together fallacy is easy to rebut if you can find actual pictures of this site. If humans had 3 toed 16&#8243; long feet with a 40&#8243; walking stride, then it is very convincing. Most of the Discovery Institute presentations of this fossil record hide the bottoms of the &#8220;human&#8221; prints in shadow or with water, and then show a footprint of a modern human artfully made to look like a fossil in a separate image.</p>
<p>The idea of evolution came from seriously faithful men. Darwin, one of the 3rd generation of evolutionists, had no science degrees, just a degree in divinity from a Christian institution.</p>
<p>Evolution is not about where everything came from, nor about how life started. It only explains how and why breeds and species change over time.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the complexity of any system always increases. It is called disorder when one can no longer keep track of the changes.</p>
<p>Science is about explaining nature strictly in terms of nature. Faith only explains nature in terms of mythology.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee:  Ken Hamm peddles snake oil.  He is an arrogant ignoramus.  You need to get yourself a good book on evolution and carefully read it, truly.  I'm talking about a scientific book, not one that bases its conclusions on holy books.  You need to demonstrate that you understand the process of natural selection before attempting to criticize it. 

You've also bought into "Pascal's Wager."  Such a sad substitute for open minded scientific inquiry.  You are deciding to believe in God because IF God exists, you won't go to hell.  

You obviously have the right to do what you are doing with your brain, but it has nothing to do with science.  

My advice to you:  Quit being timid.  Go read a few good science books (your library should have plenty of them) and then report back and show us that you actually understand the theory you are now criticizing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee:  Ken Hamm peddles snake oil.  He is an arrogant ignoramus.  You need to get yourself a good book on evolution and carefully read it, truly.  I&#8217;m talking about a scientific book, not one that bases its conclusions on holy books.  You need to demonstrate that you understand the process of natural selection before attempting to criticize it. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve also bought into &#8220;Pascal&#8217;s Wager.&#8221;  Such a sad substitute for open minded scientific inquiry.  You are deciding to believe in God because IF God exists, you won&#8217;t go to hell.  </p>
<p>You obviously have the right to do what you are doing with your brain, but it has nothing to do with science.  </p>
<p>My advice to you:  Quit being timid.  Go read a few good science books (your library should have plenty of them) and then report back and show us that you actually understand the theory you are now criticizing.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/07/24/new-facts-could-disprove-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-17263</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all you got to do is research and study and see the evidence speaks for itself, anyone believes something came from nothing, well, explains it all.

check out my site, because I love revealing truth.
As for noah's ark, see genesistv and watch Ken Ham and those of answersingenesis who will shed more light on this and so much more.
Incidently I have a book from creation research, very good, showing dinosaur and human footprints together and so, so much more.

Also to think that DNA as complex as it is just organized itself and the planets also and our moon and earth all just in the very precise position, and so so much more and suddenly you start to get a clearly picture.

The Evolution theory is just that a theory being accepted so one does not have to believe in God and be accountable when they die, but to God it makes no odds, because if I'm wrong, well, nothing lost, but If I'm right, rather the Bible is, then, well, you work it out.
Incidently the Bible's predictions so far have all come 100% true as well.

Anyway, just do your own research on the matter and then see what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all you got to do is research and study and see the evidence speaks for itself, anyone believes something came from nothing, well, explains it all.</p>
<p>check out my site, because I love revealing truth.<br />
As for noah&#8217;s ark, see genesistv and watch Ken Ham and those of answersingenesis who will shed more light on this and so much more.<br />
Incidently I have a book from creation research, very good, showing dinosaur and human footprints together and so, so much more.</p>
<p>Also to think that DNA as complex as it is just organized itself and the planets also and our moon and earth all just in the very precise position, and so so much more and suddenly you start to get a clearly picture.</p>
<p>The Evolution theory is just that a theory being accepted so one does not have to believe in God and be accountable when they die, but to God it makes no odds, because if I&#8217;m wrong, well, nothing lost, but If I&#8217;m right, rather the Bible is, then, well, you work it out.<br />
Incidently the Bible&#8217;s predictions so far have all come 100% true as well.</p>
<p>Anyway, just do your own research on the matter and then see what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/07/24/new-facts-could-disprove-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-14756</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's a succinct Scientific American article that rebuts commonly-encountered creationist objections to evolution.  &lt;a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000D4FEC-7D5B-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&amp;pageNumber=1&amp;catID=2 " target="_blank"&gt;Article is here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a succinct Scientific American article that rebuts commonly-encountered creationist objections to evolution.  <a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000D4FEC-7D5B-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&#038;pageNumber=1&#038;catID=2 " target="_blank">Article is here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: ashutosh vyas</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/07/24/new-facts-could-disprove-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-13978</link>
		<dc:creator>ashutosh vyas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>universe is the most incomphrinsible thing . the evolution must hav taken a mystrious turn thtt is unknown till today</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>universe is the most incomphrinsible thing . the evolution must hav taken a mystrious turn thtt is unknown till today</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eve is more than "just a theory" the way laymen use the term.

Only Mitochondrial Eve, and her matrilineal ancestors, have a purely matrilineal line of descent to all humans alive today. Because mitochondrial DNA is only passed through matrilineal descent, all humans alive today have mitochondrial DNA that is traceable back to Mitochondrial Eve.

Furthermore, it can be shown that every contemporary woman of Mitochondrial Eve either has no living descendant today or is an ancestor to all living people. Starting with 'the' MRCA at around 3,000 years ago, one can trace all ancestors of the MRCA backward in time. At every ancestral generation, more and more ancestors (via both paternal and maternal lines) of MRCA are found. These ancestors are by definition also common ancestors of all living people. Eventually, there will be a point in past where all humans can be divided into two groups: those who left no descendants today and those who are common ancestors of all living humans today. This point in time is termed the identical ancestors point and is estimated to be between 5,000 and 15,000 years ago. Since Mitochondrial Eve is estimated to have lived more than hundred thousand years before the identical ancestors point, every contemporary woman of hers is either not an ancestor of any living people, or a common ancestor of all living people.

Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent common matrilineal ancestor, not the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all humans. The MRCA's offspring have led to all living humans via sons and daughters, but Mitochondrial Eve must be traced only through female lineages, so she is estimated to have lived much longer ago than the MRCA. While Mitochondrial Eve is thought to have been living around 140,000 years ago, according to probabilistic studies, the MRCA could have been living as late as 3,000 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve#Misconceptions

Mitochondrial Eve (mt-mrca) is the name given by researchers to the woman who is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) for all living humans. Passed down from mothers to offspring for over a hundred thousand years, her mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is now found in all living humans: every mtDNA in every living person is derived from hers. Mitochondrial Eve is the female counterpart of the Y-chromosomal Adam, the patrilineal most recent common ancestor.

She is believed to have lived about 140,000 years ago in what is now Ethiopia, Kenya or Tanzania. The time she lived is calculated based on the molecular clock technique of correlating elapsed time with observed genetic drift.

Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent common ancestor of all humans via the mitochondrial DNA pathway, not the unqualified MRCA of all humanity. All living humans can trace their ancestry back to the MRCA via at least one of their parents, but Mitochondrial Eve can only be reached via the maternal line. Therefore, she necessarily lived much longer ago than the MRCA of all humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eve is more than &#8220;just a theory&#8221; the way laymen use the term.</p>
<p>Only Mitochondrial Eve, and her matrilineal ancestors, have a purely matrilineal line of descent to all humans alive today. Because mitochondrial DNA is only passed through matrilineal descent, all humans alive today have mitochondrial DNA that is traceable back to Mitochondrial Eve.</p>
<p>Furthermore, it can be shown that every contemporary woman of Mitochondrial Eve either has no living descendant today or is an ancestor to all living people. Starting with &#8216;the&#8217; MRCA at around 3,000 years ago, one can trace all ancestors of the MRCA backward in time. At every ancestral generation, more and more ancestors (via both paternal and maternal lines) of MRCA are found. These ancestors are by definition also common ancestors of all living people. Eventually, there will be a point in past where all humans can be divided into two groups: those who left no descendants today and those who are common ancestors of all living humans today. This point in time is termed the identical ancestors point and is estimated to be between 5,000 and 15,000 years ago. Since Mitochondrial Eve is estimated to have lived more than hundred thousand years before the identical ancestors point, every contemporary woman of hers is either not an ancestor of any living people, or a common ancestor of all living people.</p>
<p>Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent common matrilineal ancestor, not the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all humans. The MRCA&#8217;s offspring have led to all living humans via sons and daughters, but Mitochondrial Eve must be traced only through female lineages, so she is estimated to have lived much longer ago than the MRCA. While Mitochondrial Eve is thought to have been living around 140,000 years ago, according to probabilistic studies, the MRCA could have been living as late as 3,000 years ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve#Misconceptions" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve#Misconceptions</a></p>
<p>Mitochondrial Eve (mt-mrca) is the name given by researchers to the woman who is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) for all living humans. Passed down from mothers to offspring for over a hundred thousand years, her mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is now found in all living humans: every mtDNA in every living person is derived from hers. Mitochondrial Eve is the female counterpart of the Y-chromosomal Adam, the patrilineal most recent common ancestor.</p>
<p>She is believed to have lived about 140,000 years ago in what is now Ethiopia, Kenya or Tanzania. The time she lived is calculated based on the molecular clock technique of correlating elapsed time with observed genetic drift.</p>
<p>Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent common ancestor of all humans via the mitochondrial DNA pathway, not the unqualified MRCA of all humanity. All living humans can trace their ancestry back to the MRCA via at least one of their parents, but Mitochondrial Eve can only be reached via the maternal line. Therefore, she necessarily lived much longer ago than the MRCA of all humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Hogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erich, watch out! There's a theory that we have all evolved from a single female who for whatever reason had superior abilities to reproduce/adapt/survive. What with mitochondrial DNA only slightly mutating over time, and with each of us having a full complement of our mother's mitochondrial DNA in each of our cells, somebody's gonna trace us all back to "Eve", and then the fight will be "how long?" are we from "Eve"?  

Oh, and "Ecuse me!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erich, watch out! There&#8217;s a theory that we have all evolved from a single female who for whatever reason had superior abilities to reproduce/adapt/survive. What with mitochondrial DNA only slightly mutating over time, and with each of us having a full complement of our mother&#8217;s mitochondrial DNA in each of our cells, somebody&#8217;s gonna trace us all back to &#8220;Eve&#8221;, and then the fight will be &#8220;how long?&#8221; are we from &#8220;Eve&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Oh, and &#8220;Ecuse me!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/07/24/new-facts-could-disprove-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-13537</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edgar - I had heard about the "kinds" versus "species" theory, and chuckled about it for the reason you've mention:  it requires (accelerated) post-flood evolution to turn those "kinds" back into the species that now populate the Earth.   It's funny, isn't it?   Creationists criticize evolution because it is not possible for it to happen at all.  Now, in order to salvage Noah's Ark as literal truth, YEC's implicitly invoke an impossibly fast and entirely unsubstantiated version of national selection.

BYW, has any biologist traced back all human DNA to those 8 ark survivors 6,000 years ago?   Surely, that evidence exists . . .  http://youtube.com/watch?v=SkqlBXEMbEk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edgar - I had heard about the &#8220;kinds&#8221; versus &#8220;species&#8221; theory, and chuckled about it for the reason you&#8217;ve mention:  it requires (accelerated) post-flood evolution to turn those &#8220;kinds&#8221; back into the species that now populate the Earth.   It&#8217;s funny, isn&#8217;t it?   Creationists criticize evolution because it is not possible for it to happen at all.  Now, in order to salvage Noah&#8217;s Ark as literal truth, YEC&#8217;s implicitly invoke an impossibly fast and entirely unsubstantiated version of national selection.</p>
<p>BYW, has any biologist traced back all human DNA to those 8 ark survivors 6,000 years ago?   Surely, that evidence exists . . .  <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=SkqlBXEMbEk" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=SkqlBXEMbEk</a></p>
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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/07/24/new-facts-could-disprove-evolution/comment-page-1/#comment-13536</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing to remember about creationist attacks on evolution is that even if "new facts disprove evolution," this still would not elevate creationism to the realm of science.  Accordingly, even if the wildest dreams of creationists come true, and evolution someday becomes discredited, the data which does the discrediting would form the basis for some new theory to explain our planet's genetic diversity, and science would continue its quest for a new explanation.  Meanwhile, creationism would remain what it has always been:  a fringe, nonsensical religious belief that is refuted by mountains of scientific data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing to remember about creationist attacks on evolution is that even if &#8220;new facts disprove evolution,&#8221; this still would not elevate creationism to the realm of science.  Accordingly, even if the wildest dreams of creationists come true, and evolution someday becomes discredited, the data which does the discrediting would form the basis for some new theory to explain our planet&#8217;s genetic diversity, and science would continue its quest for a new explanation.  Meanwhile, creationism would remain what it has always been:  a fringe, nonsensical religious belief that is refuted by mountains of scientific data.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's obvious how Noah managed to carry all those animals on the ark:  he carried them all as eggs, thus eliminating the need to carry food or water, to worry about on-board predation, or to have enough room for all the species.  The one thing I don't understand is why he took mosquitos on board -- obviously a mistake of Biblical dimensions....

While we're on the subject...heaven is even harder to explain.  According to Revelations, heaven is a cube, about 375 miles on each side, consisting of about a dozen stories.  No word yet on how God plans to extend the earth's atmosphere up to cover the top floors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s obvious how Noah managed to carry all those animals on the ark:  he carried them all as eggs, thus eliminating the need to carry food or water, to worry about on-board predation, or to have enough room for all the species.  The one thing I don&#8217;t understand is why he took mosquitos on board &#8212; obviously a mistake of Biblical dimensions&#8230;.</p>
<p>While we&#8217;re on the subject&#8230;heaven is even harder to explain.  According to Revelations, heaven is a cube, about 375 miles on each side, consisting of about a dozen stories.  No word yet on how God plans to extend the earth&#8217;s atmosphere up to cover the top floors.</p>
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