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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/06/09/the-danger-of-focusing-on-human-differences/#comment-12993</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm going to depart a bit from the subject of this post to respond to Erich's rhetorical question concerning repentant prison inmates:  "How shall we view those people? Should we write them off permanently as people who are different, who are beyond redemption?"

According to the American criminal "justice" system, yes.  America -- by a very wide margin -- imprisons a larger percentage of its population than any other nation on earth and it also has a disturbingly high rate of recidivism, suggesting that America does, indeed, permanently write off ex-cons.  Politicians campaign with "get tough on crime" slogans while utterly ignoring, indeed, probably exacerbating, the causes of the crime they supposedly want to prevent.  America has almost made "writing off people who are different" into a national disgrace.  When people in other countries refer to the "ugly American" (i.e., American tourists who are rude and demanding), they are referring to the narrow-minded contempt some Americans have for people who are different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to depart a bit from the subject of this post to respond to Erich&#8217;s rhetorical question concerning repentant prison inmates:  &#8220;How shall we view those people? Should we write them off permanently as people who are different, who are beyond redemption?&#8221;</p>
<p>According to the American criminal &#8220;justice&#8221; system, yes.  America &#8212; by a very wide margin &#8212; imprisons a larger percentage of its population than any other nation on earth and it also has a disturbingly high rate of recidivism, suggesting that America does, indeed, permanently write off ex-cons.  Politicians campaign with &#8220;get tough on crime&#8221; slogans while utterly ignoring, indeed, probably exacerbating, the causes of the crime they supposedly want to prevent.  America has almost made &#8220;writing off people who are different&#8221; into a national disgrace.  When people in other countries refer to the &#8220;ugly American&#8221; (i.e., American tourists who are rude and demanding), they are referring to the narrow-minded contempt some Americans have for people who are different.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/06/09/the-danger-of-focusing-on-human-differences/#comment-12991</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Keefe raises a good point.  People are dramatically different.  Some of them are incredibly able to master new skills while others are extremely slow on the uptake.   Some are gentle and others, if given half a chance, would murder everyone within 50 yards for no reason at all.   Many of these qualities are normally invisible, erupting unprovoked in random acts of violence or kindness.   Too bad all of our qualities are not visible in some way, perhaps by color patches on our skin or height.   If generosity were represented by height, some people would be only an inch tall, whereas others would be 100 feet tall.

Bill Clinton’s speech was not a denial that people are different.  Rather, his speech was directed at finding a way to a better social order.   To form a meaningful social order, people need to find things in common, then there can be dialogue.  Then there can be negotiations regarding those differences that exist.  There will be some people who cannot be brought into the process.   A friend of mine recently toured the Miami Dade jail and was shocked and shaken by the types of human beings she saw.   Most of the prisoners she saw that day were vile, disgusting, unrepentant and horrifically violent.   Bill Clinton knows this, I’m sure.   We can’t go around pretending that people like that should be able to run loose. 

On the other hand, there are many people currently in jail who are there because they’ve made mistakes and they are willing to try to rejoin society in a productive way.   How shall we view those people?   Should we write them off permanently as people who are different, who are beyond redemption?  Or should we try to view those people (the ones who are deserving ) as humans who are a lot like you and me, who have made mistakes?    

When we meet gay people, should we view them as Gays, or as people who happen to be gay.   When we meet corporate executives, isn’t it more productive to treat them as human beings who happen to be corporate executives?  What about women?  I’ve been around lots of men who consider them to be a different species, which leads to all kinds of problems.   How about treating women as people who happen to be of the female gender?   And the French are people who happen to live in France.  And so forth.   What about those horrible people who are now trying to kill us?   Have you ever seen soldiers who fought against each other in WWII having reunions where they now share in their humanity?  They can often get along when they reach out.  Their violent actions are not their sum totality. http://movies2.nytimes.com/mem/movies/review.html?res=9E03E0DE103CF935A15750C0A9679C8B63 

This subtle-seeming difference of looking for things we all have in common can have dramatic consequences.   For one example, bigoted jokes and comments become scarce. 

The important overall benefits of seeing most other people (not the hopelessly violent) as living under the same tent was the point of Bill Clinton’s speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Keefe raises a good point.  People are dramatically different.  Some of them are incredibly able to master new skills while others are extremely slow on the uptake.   Some are gentle and others, if given half a chance, would murder everyone within 50 yards for no reason at all.   Many of these qualities are normally invisible, erupting unprovoked in random acts of violence or kindness.   Too bad all of our qualities are not visible in some way, perhaps by color patches on our skin or height.   If generosity were represented by height, some people would be only an inch tall, whereas others would be 100 feet tall.</p>
<p>Bill Clinton’s speech was not a denial that people are different.  Rather, his speech was directed at finding a way to a better social order.   To form a meaningful social order, people need to find things in common, then there can be dialogue.  Then there can be negotiations regarding those differences that exist.  There will be some people who cannot be brought into the process.   A friend of mine recently toured the Miami Dade jail and was shocked and shaken by the types of human beings she saw.   Most of the prisoners she saw that day were vile, disgusting, unrepentant and horrifically violent.   Bill Clinton knows this, I’m sure.   We can’t go around pretending that people like that should be able to run loose. </p>
<p>On the other hand, there are many people currently in jail who are there because they’ve made mistakes and they are willing to try to rejoin society in a productive way.   How shall we view those people?   Should we write them off permanently as people who are different, who are beyond redemption?  Or should we try to view those people (the ones who are deserving ) as humans who are a lot like you and me, who have made mistakes?    </p>
<p>When we meet gay people, should we view them as Gays, or as people who happen to be gay.   When we meet corporate executives, isn’t it more productive to treat them as human beings who happen to be corporate executives?  What about women?  I’ve been around lots of men who consider them to be a different species, which leads to all kinds of problems.   How about treating women as people who happen to be of the female gender?   And the French are people who happen to live in France.  And so forth.   What about those horrible people who are now trying to kill us?   Have you ever seen soldiers who fought against each other in WWII having reunions where they now share in their humanity?  They can often get along when they reach out.  Their violent actions are not their sum totality. <a href="http://movies2.nytimes.com/mem/movies/review.html?res=9E03E0DE103CF935A15750C0A9679C8B63" rel="nofollow">http://movies2.nytimes.com/mem/movies/review.html?res=9E03E0DE103CF935A15750C0A9679C8B63</a> </p>
<p>This subtle-seeming difference of looking for things we all have in common can have dramatic consequences.   For one example, bigoted jokes and comments become scarce. </p>
<p>The important overall benefits of seeing most other people (not the hopelessly violent) as living under the same tent was the point of Bill Clinton’s speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Keefe</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/06/09/the-danger-of-focusing-on-human-differences/#comment-12967</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Keefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have never met someone with whom you share almost nothing in common, then your life have has been insular and your eyes are closed. Talk to a police officer. They can introduce you to people that look human, but have done things you prefer not to think about. Then you can take your daughter into a dark room with this man and talk about how much you have in common.

People are not the same. It would be nice if it were so, but acting as if it is true when it is not will only get you or someone you care about killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have never met someone with whom you share almost nothing in common, then your life have has been insular and your eyes are closed. Talk to a police officer. They can introduce you to people that look human, but have done things you prefer not to think about. Then you can take your daughter into a dark room with this man and talk about how much you have in common.</p>
<p>People are not the same. It would be nice if it were so, but acting as if it is true when it is not will only get you or someone you care about killed.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/06/09/the-danger-of-focusing-on-human-differences/#comment-12961</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul clearly has a better grasp of the 9/11 attack, and the ongoing violence in Iraq, than does any other Republican candidate I've ever heard.  The notion that terrorists in Afganistan spent several years organizing the 9/11 attack simply because they "hate our freedom," is idiotic beyond comprehension.  Vigilantes don't commit suicide attacking innocent people on the other side of the globe merely because they are envious of the way of life that those innocent people enjoy.  They attack and commit suicide because they believe those innocent people are not so innocent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul clearly has a better grasp of the 9/11 attack, and the ongoing violence in Iraq, than does any other Republican candidate I&#8217;ve ever heard.  The notion that terrorists in Afganistan spent several years organizing the 9/11 attack simply because they &#8220;hate our freedom,&#8221; is idiotic beyond comprehension.  Vigilantes don&#8217;t commit suicide attacking innocent people on the other side of the globe merely because they are envious of the way of life that those innocent people enjoy.  They attack and commit suicide because they believe those innocent people are not so innocent.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Baggett</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/06/09/the-danger-of-focusing-on-human-differences/#comment-12959</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Baggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 21:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it not traditional to include a persons title? I' sure Fmr. Pres. Clinton would appreciate the respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it not traditional to include a persons title? I&#8217; sure Fmr. Pres. Clinton would appreciate the respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Klarmann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/06/09/the-danger-of-focusing-on-human-differences/#comment-12958</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Klarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our culture is geared toward refining the recognition of subtle differences. For example, the school system segregates by age. As a result, kids are more ageist than they would be had they always been exposed to a mix of ages and correlating levels of ability.

Schools also segregate by gender in so-called physical education. I learned nothing about my physicality in these classes, and even less about the physicality of the complementary gender.

Home-schooled kids have an even stronger sense of discrimination because they are not exposed to anywhere near as wide a range of cultures as state schooled kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our culture is geared toward refining the recognition of subtle differences. For example, the school system segregates by age. As a result, kids are more ageist than they would be had they always been exposed to a mix of ages and correlating levels of ability.</p>
<p>Schools also segregate by gender in so-called physical education. I learned nothing about my physicality in these classes, and even less about the physicality of the complementary gender.</p>
<p>Home-schooled kids have an even stronger sense of discrimination because they are not exposed to anywhere near as wide a range of cultures as state schooled kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/06/09/the-danger-of-focusing-on-human-differences/#comment-12955</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 05:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grumpy: I interpreted Clinton to be recommend a somewhat different approach, though I do agree with your point entirely.

I understood that Clinton was asking us to consider that the terrorists and their sympathizers (as well as everyone else in the world) are human beings with much in common with us. Consider that many people who hate the U.S. really do want the same sorts of things we want: a roof over their heads, food for their families, a sense of security.

For me, the Clinton point is well illustrated by the neocon claim that "terrorists" simply hate us because "they" allegedly hate freedom. &lt;a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/15/ron-paul-vs-giuliani-on-the-root-causes-of-terrorism/"&gt;Listen to what Ron Paul has to say about that.&lt;/a&gt;  Paul did not obsess that "terrorists" are different than Americans or that terrorists are irrational. To the contrary, he drew parallels between how those who hate the U.S. think and how Americans would think and react if a foreign power occupied America.

I'm not suggesting that we need to &lt;em&gt;agree&lt;/em&gt; with the reasons anyone posits for any position. On the other hand, if we want to be admired, we simply must start by working to &lt;em&gt;understand&lt;/em&gt; the motives of both friends and enemies. The current administration has failed miserably in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grumpy: I interpreted Clinton to be recommend a somewhat different approach, though I do agree with your point entirely.</p>
<p>I understood that Clinton was asking us to consider that the terrorists and their sympathizers (as well as everyone else in the world) are human beings with much in common with us. Consider that many people who hate the U.S. really do want the same sorts of things we want: a roof over their heads, food for their families, a sense of security.</p>
<p>For me, the Clinton point is well illustrated by the neocon claim that &#8220;terrorists&#8221; simply hate us because &#8220;they&#8221; allegedly hate freedom. <a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/15/ron-paul-vs-giuliani-on-the-root-causes-of-terrorism/">Listen to what Ron Paul has to say about that.</a>  Paul did not obsess that &#8220;terrorists&#8221; are different than Americans or that terrorists are irrational. To the contrary, he drew parallels between how those who hate the U.S. think and how Americans would think and react if a foreign power occupied America.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that we need to <em>agree</em> with the reasons anyone posits for any position. On the other hand, if we want to be admired, we simply must start by working to <em>understand</em> the motives of both friends and enemies. The current administration has failed miserably in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/06/09/the-danger-of-focusing-on-human-differences/#comment-12952</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing I thought of when I read this post, especially Clinton's remark that humans are 99.9% the same, and Erich's observation that the Bush Administration "excels at choosing badly," is the notion that America's most important priority should be the so-called "war on terror." If ever there was a case of fixating on the wrong 0.1%, while ignoring the more important 99.9%, this has to be it. Alleged terrorists represent less than 0.001% of the "evil doers" in this world. When they demolished the two WTC towers, they killed 0.001% of the U.S. population. Yet, for the past six years, despite the numerical insignificance of this problem, America's budget and its government have both been obsessed with fighting this inflated foe. If we were to list the top 50 leading causes of death in America, terrorism wouldn't even be on the list. Yet, listen to any Republican political speech, or look at any Republican-drafted budget, and you would be hard pressed to find one that doesn't focus on terrorism, as if this were as big a problem in America as AIDS is in Africa. Americans need to pull their heads out of their backsides and see what havoc the Bush Administration has wrought by focusing 99.9% of its time (and taxpayer's money) on 0.001% of America's problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing I thought of when I read this post, especially Clinton&#8217;s remark that humans are 99.9% the same, and Erich&#8217;s observation that the Bush Administration &#8220;excels at choosing badly,&#8221; is the notion that America&#8217;s most important priority should be the so-called &#8220;war on terror.&#8221; If ever there was a case of fixating on the wrong 0.1%, while ignoring the more important 99.9%, this has to be it. Alleged terrorists represent less than 0.001% of the &#8220;evil doers&#8221; in this world. When they demolished the two WTC towers, they killed 0.001% of the U.S. population. Yet, for the past six years, despite the numerical insignificance of this problem, America&#8217;s budget and its government have both been obsessed with fighting this inflated foe. If we were to list the top 50 leading causes of death in America, terrorism wouldn&#8217;t even be on the list. Yet, listen to any Republican political speech, or look at any Republican-drafted budget, and you would be hard pressed to find one that doesn&#8217;t focus on terrorism, as if this were as big a problem in America as AIDS is in Africa. Americans need to pull their heads out of their backsides and see what havoc the Bush Administration has wrought by focusing 99.9% of its time (and taxpayer&#8217;s money) on 0.001% of America&#8217;s problems.</p>
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