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		<title>By: mindy carney</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/shhhhh-dont-mention-drinking-it-just-killed-him-thats-all/#comment-13065</link>
		<dc:creator>mindy carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, of course, I meant .157.  My bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, of course, I meant .157.  My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/shhhhh-dont-mention-drinking-it-just-killed-him-thats-all/#comment-12154</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 07:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That alcohol number looks a little weird. Did you mean .157 

Anyway, I got drunk one night, and woke up in the hospital with a .29 BAC.
Was drinking straight from the bottle, seeing if I could keep up with my buddy. I think I actually won, until the hospital bill arrived.

I guess what happened was that I didn't realize how much alcohol was already in my stomach, while I was still taking gulps from the bottle. Then it became easy to drink, and tasted like water. The last thing I remember was walking around having a great time, but being amazed how drunk I was. I even remember telling somebody, "I can't believe how drunk I am, I've never been this drunk, hahahaha". Luckily somebody found me in a pool of vomit with eyes glazed back and was brave enough to dial 911. They say that I was trying to fight the ambulance guys who and was spitting on them and had to be restrained. Anyway, I don't think it was the pot that got the pitcher killed, it was that last pitcher of beer. But that's just little old me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That alcohol number looks a little weird. Did you mean .157 </p>
<p>Anyway, I got drunk one night, and woke up in the hospital with a .29 BAC.<br />
Was drinking straight from the bottle, seeing if I could keep up with my buddy. I think I actually won, until the hospital bill arrived.</p>
<p>I guess what happened was that I didn&#8217;t realize how much alcohol was already in my stomach, while I was still taking gulps from the bottle. Then it became easy to drink, and tasted like water. The last thing I remember was walking around having a great time, but being amazed how drunk I was. I even remember telling somebody, &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe how drunk I am, I&#8217;ve never been this drunk, hahahaha&#8221;. Luckily somebody found me in a pool of vomit with eyes glazed back and was brave enough to dial 911. They say that I was trying to fight the ambulance guys who and was spitting on them and had to be restrained. Anyway, I don&#8217;t think it was the pot that got the pitcher killed, it was that last pitcher of beer. But that&#8217;s just little old me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy Carney</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/shhhhh-dont-mention-drinking-it-just-killed-him-thats-all/#comment-12141</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blood alcohol level 1.57, pot in the car and he was on his cell phone to a "female acquaintance" when he hit the truck going 68 mph in a 55 mph zone.

Now can we talk about drinking and driving?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blood alcohol level 1.57, pot in the car and he was on his cell phone to a &#8220;female acquaintance&#8221; when he hit the truck going 68 mph in a 55 mph zone.</p>
<p>Now can we talk about drinking and driving?</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/shhhhh-dont-mention-drinking-it-just-killed-him-thats-all/#comment-12121</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 14:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that the St. Louis Post-Dispatch is busy milking the death of Josh Hancock. Today's front page headline of the news section begins with this quote: "Every day was a good day for him." Every day? Even when he was hung over? Even the day he recklessly drove himself to death?

For the Post, though, it's time to put a happy spin on the whole sad episode. The first sentence of the article: "It didn't matter Thursday [in Tupelo Mississippi] how Cardinals pitcher Josh Hancock died tragically Sunday morning or the prospective reasons why."

Let's move ne, now! Nothing to see &lt;em&gt;here&lt;/em&gt; . . .  Time to play ball!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that the St. Louis Post-Dispatch is busy milking the death of Josh Hancock. Today&#8217;s front page headline of the news section begins with this quote: &#8220;Every day was a good day for him.&#8221; Every day? Even when he was hung over? Even the day he recklessly drove himself to death?</p>
<p>For the Post, though, it&#8217;s time to put a happy spin on the whole sad episode. The first sentence of the article: &#8220;It didn&#8217;t matter Thursday [in Tupelo Mississippi] how Cardinals pitcher Josh Hancock died tragically Sunday morning or the prospective reasons why.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s move ne, now! Nothing to see <em>here</em> . . .  Time to play ball!</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/shhhhh-dont-mention-drinking-it-just-killed-him-thats-all/#comment-12062</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 14:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine if someone were to seriously investigate all of the professional athletes of the U.S. and to publish their spare-no-details biographies without mentioning their true names or professions. You’d see a long list of young men documenting all of the sins of any other group young men, maybe even more sins since they have more money to get into more trouble. If a person scanned this list without realizing the athletic accomplishments of the men, they’d likely say, “Sheesh, what’s America coming to?”

If we were presented with that long list, we would note the many guys who drink too much, dabble with drugs, gleefully engage in conspicuous consumption, cheat on their spouses and turn their backs on their poorer friends of old.

Professional athletes are people who are well-protected by a compliant law-enforcement system and a media racket that uses these guys to sell lots and lots (and lots) of advertising. In their sterilized form, these guys are a precious commodity. &lt;a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1202"&gt;See this post&lt;/a&gt; for the lopsided nature of sports coverage—in many local newspapers and newscasts, sports gets as much (or more) coverage than all “serious” news combined. Why so much fuss over these guys? The proximate explanation is that huge amounts of money are at stake. Huge amounts of money and time. &lt;a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=279"&gt;Money and time&lt;/a&gt; that often should be spent attending to real-life pressing matters.

With all of that PR supporting their sanitized and glamorized images, is it surprising that we have such an unrealistic image of pro athletes? They are repeatedly given a free ride. They are glamorized by the press as part of an unspoken quid pro quo. When they show up for a staged photo-op at the children’s hospital cancer ward, they are followed by a dozen beaming people holding television cameras and newspaper cameras. On those occasions when they stop to help someone with a flat tire, they are compared to Mother Teresa. When we see a pro athlete in a restaurant or the airport, we get all giddy. Whenever a pro athlete genuinely lives a life of constant selfless altruism (as was the case of Kurt Warner), the media falls all over itself trying to generate new accolades for him.

We want our athletes to be little gods, playing one of God’s favorite pastimes. We want to adore them. We dream that we could be one of them, or at least that our kids will someday join their ranks. How else to explain that soooo many parents emphasize a “sport” called t-ball for their six-year olds, a game that involves almost no exercise at all?

The public is thus part of this conspiracy of make-believe. We can’t bear the thought that someone someday might break the spell and remind us that all of these guys are fallible human beings. We don’t like to think the truth: that many pro athletes are people you’d never want your daughters to date. Some of them are people you wouldn’t ever want in your house.

But those athletes “are” the people they are carefully orchestrated to be. They smack balls (or throw balls through hoops), they run fast, they knock each other over. We clap and scream our approval. We hand over $6 for a beer. But never tell a golfing fan “This is an awful lot of attention for a guy whose talent is merely tapping a little ball in a hole.” Don’t break the spell. Don’t wake the people up from their cozy little dreams that what those athletes are doing on the field matters in a big way.

The ultimate explanation for this protection racket is that pro athletes are the centerpieces for social bonding and status seeking by the fans. How many times have you heard a fan bragging that he or she got “good seats for the big game”? How many times have you heard jubilant fans exclaiming “we won!,” as though the fans accomplished anything at all? For more on ultimate explanations, &lt;a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=402"&gt;see Jason Rayl’s post, "Super Bull.&lt;/a&gt;"

The bottom line is that our corporate sponsors can’t “afford” for our sports celebrities to look bad. It’s literally too expensive. The fans don’t like it because it jolts them back into the real world. They’d rather remain in that land of snooze where it’s the most important thing in the world that a ball lands fair rather than foul.

Well, it’s too bad that Josh Hancock was driving “foul” a few nights ago rather than “fair.” That mistake cost him his life. Now we shall see whether the fans learn anything from this incident, or whether they quickly return to their corporate-sponsored dreamland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if someone were to seriously investigate all of the professional athletes of the U.S. and to publish their spare-no-details biographies without mentioning their true names or professions. You’d see a long list of young men documenting all of the sins of any other group young men, maybe even more sins since they have more money to get into more trouble. If a person scanned this list without realizing the athletic accomplishments of the men, they’d likely say, “Sheesh, what’s America coming to?”</p>
<p>If we were presented with that long list, we would note the many guys who drink too much, dabble with drugs, gleefully engage in conspicuous consumption, cheat on their spouses and turn their backs on their poorer friends of old.</p>
<p>Professional athletes are people who are well-protected by a compliant law-enforcement system and a media racket that uses these guys to sell lots and lots (and lots) of advertising. In their sterilized form, these guys are a precious commodity. <a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1202">See this post</a> for the lopsided nature of sports coverage—in many local newspapers and newscasts, sports gets as much (or more) coverage than all “serious” news combined. Why so much fuss over these guys? The proximate explanation is that huge amounts of money are at stake. Huge amounts of money and time. <a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=279">Money and time</a> that often should be spent attending to real-life pressing matters.</p>
<p>With all of that PR supporting their sanitized and glamorized images, is it surprising that we have such an unrealistic image of pro athletes? They are repeatedly given a free ride. They are glamorized by the press as part of an unspoken quid pro quo. When they show up for a staged photo-op at the children’s hospital cancer ward, they are followed by a dozen beaming people holding television cameras and newspaper cameras. On those occasions when they stop to help someone with a flat tire, they are compared to Mother Teresa. When we see a pro athlete in a restaurant or the airport, we get all giddy. Whenever a pro athlete genuinely lives a life of constant selfless altruism (as was the case of Kurt Warner), the media falls all over itself trying to generate new accolades for him.</p>
<p>We want our athletes to be little gods, playing one of God’s favorite pastimes. We want to adore them. We dream that we could be one of them, or at least that our kids will someday join their ranks. How else to explain that soooo many parents emphasize a “sport” called t-ball for their six-year olds, a game that involves almost no exercise at all?</p>
<p>The public is thus part of this conspiracy of make-believe. We can’t bear the thought that someone someday might break the spell and remind us that all of these guys are fallible human beings. We don’t like to think the truth: that many pro athletes are people you’d never want your daughters to date. Some of them are people you wouldn’t ever want in your house.</p>
<p>But those athletes “are” the people they are carefully orchestrated to be. They smack balls (or throw balls through hoops), they run fast, they knock each other over. We clap and scream our approval. We hand over $6 for a beer. But never tell a golfing fan “This is an awful lot of attention for a guy whose talent is merely tapping a little ball in a hole.” Don’t break the spell. Don’t wake the people up from their cozy little dreams that what those athletes are doing on the field matters in a big way.</p>
<p>The ultimate explanation for this protection racket is that pro athletes are the centerpieces for social bonding and status seeking by the fans. How many times have you heard a fan bragging that he or she got “good seats for the big game”? How many times have you heard jubilant fans exclaiming “we won!,” as though the fans accomplished anything at all? For more on ultimate explanations, <a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=402">see Jason Rayl’s post, &#8220;Super Bull.</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>The bottom line is that our corporate sponsors can’t “afford” for our sports celebrities to look bad. It’s literally too expensive. The fans don’t like it because it jolts them back into the real world. They’d rather remain in that land of snooze where it’s the most important thing in the world that a ball lands fair rather than foul.</p>
<p>Well, it’s too bad that Josh Hancock was driving “foul” a few nights ago rather than “fair.” That mistake cost him his life. Now we shall see whether the fans learn anything from this incident, or whether they quickly return to their corporate-sponsored dreamland.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/shhhhh-dont-mention-drinking-it-just-killed-him-thats-all/#comment-12052</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 23:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it's any consolation, he got a DUI last weekend. I guess the odds catch up with you, even if you are superman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s any consolation, he got a DUI last weekend. I guess the odds catch up with you, even if you are superman.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy Carney</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/shhhhh-dont-mention-drinking-it-just-killed-him-thats-all/#comment-12049</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 23:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope so, Ben.  As for your friend, how unbelievably arrogant that "he is okay with the risk."  I imagine the family of the person he plows over won't be as OK with it as he is.  That is so sad.  If I were you, yes, I sould call the police next time you know he's out drinking.  He desperately needs to get caught BEFORE he hurts someone.   He may invincible, but the rest of us out there on the road are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope so, Ben.  As for your friend, how unbelievably arrogant that &#8220;he is okay with the risk.&#8221;  I imagine the family of the person he plows over won&#8217;t be as OK with it as he is.  That is so sad.  If I were you, yes, I sould call the police next time you know he&#8217;s out drinking.  He desperately needs to get caught BEFORE he hurts someone.   He may invincible, but the rest of us out there on the road are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/shhhhh-dont-mention-drinking-it-just-killed-him-thats-all/#comment-12044</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 21:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right Mindy, and I have discussed this with my friend numerous times. He is okay with the risk, and drives drunk at least 3 nights a week. At this point there is not much I can do short of calling the police next time he goes drinking, unless you have a suggestion I have not considered...

When I say the bartender was not at "fault", I meant in the legal sense. In fact, I presume his heart is heavier now, and he will be more proactive about saving his customers lives by taking keys away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Mindy, and I have discussed this with my friend numerous times. He is okay with the risk, and drives drunk at least 3 nights a week. At this point there is not much I can do short of calling the police next time he goes drinking, unless you have a suggestion I have not considered&#8230;</p>
<p>When I say the bartender was not at &#8220;fault&#8221;, I meant in the legal sense. In fact, I presume his heart is heavier now, and he will be more proactive about saving his customers lives by taking keys away.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy Carney</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/shhhhh-dont-mention-drinking-it-just-killed-him-thats-all/#comment-12043</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 20:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only does he deserve culpability, but the fact is he could easily have taken other lives with his own.  It's easy to say that if someone makes poor choices, oh well, they deserve the consequences of their actions.  But the innocent bystanders don't.  And if the people standing around smirking at a drunk getting in a car, especially if they know the person, would simply think two steps ahead and take a glance at the potential consequences, maybe the act of taking someone's keys would be views more as heroic than domineering or uptight or bitchy - or whatever we don't want to be called.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only does he deserve culpability, but the fact is he could easily have taken other lives with his own.  It&#8217;s easy to say that if someone makes poor choices, oh well, they deserve the consequences of their actions.  But the innocent bystanders don&#8217;t.  And if the people standing around smirking at a drunk getting in a car, especially if they know the person, would simply think two steps ahead and take a glance at the potential consequences, maybe the act of taking someone&#8217;s keys would be views more as heroic than domineering or uptight or bitchy - or whatever we don&#8217;t want to be called.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 19:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben: If I understand correctly, you mean to say that this doesn't strike you as an uncommon circumstance, and that countless drunks drive home, not hindered by their friends or a bartender, countless times. I don't think that detracts from the reality that all of those friend, all of those bartenders who gave up or looked the other way &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; have taken a more resolute stance against drunk driving. I know how it happens- nobody wants to seem domineering or uptight, we don't want to have to take responsibility for our friends, and hey, they have made it back safely all those other times, right? But that exact moderate attitude makes it acceptable to drive drunk (or "tipsy" or "buzzed" or whatever) in all circumstances, including those ones that lead to death. 

Of course, personal responsibility needs to play a role. Sure, someone knackered out of their mind can't judge whether they can judge or not, but that very same person could have made the decision to give a friend their keys or simply not drink as much a few hours before. If only Mr. Hancock had formed a plan to accompany his desire to get hammered, by having someone else drive him, or commit to calling a cab, or anything other than driving himself, really. But he didn't. And he does deserve culpability for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben: If I understand correctly, you mean to say that this doesn&#8217;t strike you as an uncommon circumstance, and that countless drunks drive home, not hindered by their friends or a bartender, countless times. I don&#8217;t think that detracts from the reality that all of those friend, all of those bartenders who gave up or looked the other way <i>should</i> have taken a more resolute stance against drunk driving. I know how it happens- nobody wants to seem domineering or uptight, we don&#8217;t want to have to take responsibility for our friends, and hey, they have made it back safely all those other times, right? But that exact moderate attitude makes it acceptable to drive drunk (or &#8220;tipsy&#8221; or &#8220;buzzed&#8221; or whatever) in all circumstances, including those ones that lead to death. </p>
<p>Of course, personal responsibility needs to play a role. Sure, someone knackered out of their mind can&#8217;t judge whether they can judge or not, but that very same person could have made the decision to give a friend their keys or simply not drink as much a few hours before. If only Mr. Hancock had formed a plan to accompany his desire to get hammered, by having someone else drive him, or commit to calling a cab, or anything other than driving himself, really. But he didn&#8217;t. And he does deserve culpability for that.</p>
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