Comments on: Death of the First Amendment at Saint Louis University http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/death-of-the-first-amendment-at-saint-louis-university/ Human Animals at the Crossroads of Culture, Science, Religion and Media Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:37:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Tim Hogan http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/death-of-the-first-amendment-at-saint-louis-university/#comment-23883 Tim Hogan Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:39:15 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1266#comment-23883 I dwelled in Aristotle's cave, was formed by faith and good works towards me and my family, and brought up in a community which reported my doings before I got home form my misdeeds, real or imagined. Unlike some immoral nihilists I know, I don't normally cast aspersions upon those which believe (or not) differently than I. I dwelled in Aristotle’s cave, was formed by faith and good works towards me and my family, and brought up in a community which reported my doings before I got home form my misdeeds, real or imagined.

Unlike some immoral nihilists I know, I don’t normally cast aspersions upon those which believe (or not) differently than I.

]]> By: Ben http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/death-of-the-first-amendment-at-saint-louis-university/#comment-12148 Ben Sat, 05 May 2007 04:21:21 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1266#comment-12148 I guess it just boils down to us atheists not reading between the lines enough. (note to self: next time only quote naughty parts from the *New* Testament) If only I had spent my formative years studying more Scripture and less math and physics and geography and culture and astronomy I might still be more faithful. Better yet, if I had been raised in a cave with only scraps of the dead sea scrolls to learn by firelight (like Tim?), I would damn near be Jesus. I guess it just boils down to us atheists not reading between the lines enough. (note to self: next time only quote naughty parts from the *New* Testament)

If only I had spent my formative years studying more Scripture and less math and physics and geography and culture and astronomy I might still be more faithful. Better yet, if I had been raised in a cave with only scraps of the dead sea scrolls to learn by firelight (like Tim?), I would damn near be Jesus.

]]> By: grumpypilgrim http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/death-of-the-first-amendment-at-saint-louis-university/#comment-12146 grumpypilgrim Sat, 05 May 2007 02:32:21 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1266#comment-12146 Speaking of the Bible, I find it strange that the Church should ban so many books, yet not ban a book in which the main character condones everything from rape and decapitation, to slavery and genocide. I guess I still haven't figured out that absolute moral compass they keep talking about. Speaking of the Bible, I find it strange that the Church should ban so many books, yet not ban a book in which the main character condones everything from rape and decapitation, to slavery and genocide. I guess I still haven’t figured out that absolute moral compass they keep talking about.

]]> By: Tim Hogan http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/death-of-the-first-amendment-at-saint-louis-university/#comment-12138 Tim Hogan Fri, 04 May 2007 20:58:23 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1266#comment-12138 Oh, and most of the naughty parts of the Bible are in the Old Testament which "laws" have been supplanted by Jesus' new law as stated above. Some of the rest of the New Testament may have similar problems but, that's in part due to human error, lost translation and perhaps long trips without proper food and water. Oh, and most of the naughty parts of the Bible are in the Old Testament which “laws” have been supplanted by Jesus’ new law as stated above.

Some of the rest of the New Testament may have similar problems but, that’s in part due to human error, lost translation and perhaps long trips without proper food and water.

]]> By: Tim Hogan http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/death-of-the-first-amendment-at-saint-louis-university/#comment-12089 Tim Hogan Thu, 03 May 2007 05:43:42 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1266#comment-12089 The SLU Student Government met this evening in an emergency session and passed an unanimous resolution requesting the SLU BOT to delay the proposed Charter changes. As for me, I sued 'em on behalf of the Editor-in-Chief, that's enough rudeness for now. The BOT can do what they will but, the President and his minions may not run roughshod over good people who dedicate their time for the good of the community. The SLU Student Government met this evening in an emergency session and passed an unanimous resolution requesting the SLU BOT to delay the proposed Charter changes.

As for me, I sued ‘em on behalf of the Editor-in-Chief, that’s enough rudeness for now. The BOT can do what they will but, the President and his minions may not run roughshod over good people who dedicate their time for the good of the community.

]]> By: grumpypilgrim http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/death-of-the-first-amendment-at-saint-louis-university/#comment-12087 grumpypilgrim Thu, 03 May 2007 04:25:28 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1266#comment-12087 The list of banned books that Erich mentions contains quite a few works that are considered important classics of American lit -- so much so that I doubt most high school students could get through school without reading at least one of them -- to say nothing of the Harry Potter series, which have proven wildly popular. This makes me wonder: did the listed books get banned because they were popular, or did they become popular, in part, because they were banned? The list of banned books that Erich mentions contains quite a few works that are considered important classics of American lit — so much so that I doubt most high school students could get through school without reading at least one of them — to say nothing of the Harry Potter series, which have proven wildly popular. This makes me wonder: did the listed books get banned because they were popular, or did they become popular, in part, because they were banned?

]]> By: Erich Vieth http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/death-of-the-first-amendment-at-saint-louis-university/#comment-12086 Erich Vieth Thu, 03 May 2007 03:54:51 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1266#comment-12086 Did you hear the recent news about a Catholic University (Loyola) that is currently sponsoring an exhibit regarding books that have been banned? http://libraries.luc.edu/about/exhibits/banned/index.shtml I have lots of problems with many Catholic claims, but I also know many Catholics who, other than their one-hour per week in the church, are fiercely open-minded, skeptical and freedom-loving people. Did you hear the recent news about a Catholic University (Loyola) that is currently sponsoring an exhibit regarding books that have been banned? http://libraries.luc.edu/about/exhibits/banned/index.shtml

I have lots of problems with many Catholic claims, but I also know many Catholics who, other than their one-hour per week in the church, are fiercely open-minded, skeptical and freedom-loving people.

]]> By: Ben http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/death-of-the-first-amendment-at-saint-louis-university/#comment-12081 Ben Thu, 03 May 2007 02:50:53 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1266#comment-12081 I respect the fact that some here may not want to risk NOT getting into Heaven. I am not worried about such things, nor are the majority of the folks to whose eyes will read this. (Vicki) I want to know why those parts are being ignored! Why is the Bible being held as some kind of holy book as if God himself had some kind of influence on it? I was trying to elicit some type of response which addresses that largely overlooked fact. Something like: "Oh THOSE parts, well, we learned from our minister and our parents that the bible isn't really true except for what we and the President of the USA tell you is true". Sorry if the Bible quotes offend anyone reading this. Leviticus 20: 27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them. 1 Corinthians 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. Hmmmm, that makes my skin crawl, being from a feminist/liberal upbringing. And Vicki, don't forget YOUR POP QUIZ (http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1173) which took Sam Harris' words out of context. Therefore, I apologize (once again) if these Bible quotes are somehow MORE offensive when taken out of context. And Vicki, I recall Tim mentioning something about God's Word... "The Bible says that from these we may obey all other commandments of God." To be Continued here... http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=240#comments I respect the fact that some here may not want to risk NOT getting into Heaven. I am not worried about such things, nor are the majority of the folks to whose eyes will read this.

(Vicki) I want to know why those parts are being ignored! Why is the Bible being held as some kind of holy book as if God himself had some kind of influence on it? I was trying to elicit some type of response which addresses that largely overlooked fact. Something like: “Oh THOSE parts, well, we learned from our minister and our parents that the bible isn’t really true except for what we and the President of the USA tell you is true”. Sorry if the Bible quotes offend anyone reading this.

Leviticus 20: 27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them.

1 Corinthians 8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. Hmmmm, that makes my skin crawl, being from a feminist/liberal upbringing.

And Vicki, don’t forget YOUR POP QUIZ (http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1173) which took Sam Harris’ words out of context. Therefore, I apologize (once again) if these Bible quotes are somehow MORE offensive when taken out of context.

And Vicki, I recall Tim mentioning something about God’s Word…

“The Bible says that from these we may obey all other commandments of God.”

To be Continued here…
http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=240#comments

]]> By: Vicki Baker http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/death-of-the-first-amendment-at-saint-louis-university/#comment-12074 Vicki Baker Wed, 02 May 2007 20:32:42 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1266#comment-12074 Ben, I'm sure that Tim knows that the Bible contains naughty bits. Ben, I’m sure that Tim knows that the Bible contains naughty bits.

]]> By: Ben http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/05/01/death-of-the-first-amendment-at-saint-louis-university/#comment-12073 Ben Wed, 02 May 2007 18:57:26 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1266#comment-12073 And about the Bible phrases... here is a good discussion for people who believe that *certain* parts of the Bible are true... http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=846#comments Genesis 19: 31 Then the firstborn said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of the earth. 32 "Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him that we may preserve our family through our father." Psalms 137: 9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rocks. And about the Bible phrases… here is a good discussion for people who believe that *certain* parts of the Bible are true…

http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=846#comments

Genesis 19: 31 Then the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of the earth. 32 “Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him that we may preserve our family through our father.”

Psalms 137: 9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the rocks.

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