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	<title>Comments on: More on Who changed the Bible and why? Bart Ehrman’s startling answers</title>
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		<title>By: Who changed the Bible and why? Bart Ehrman&#8217;s startling answers &#124; Dangerous Intersection</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who changed the Bible and why? Bart Ehrman&#8217;s startling answers &#124; Dangerous Intersection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 06:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Down with music! Understanding scientific "attacks" on religion. &#124; Dangerous Intersection</title>
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		<dc:creator>Down with music! Understanding scientific "attacks" on religion. &#124; Dangerous Intersection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] foundations on which all religious practice is based.  Was there really a Jesus? Can we trust the authenticity of the sacred writings such as the Bible?  And it is almost unheard of to foster vigorous skepticism as part of a religious service (though [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] foundations on which all religious practice is based.  Was there really a Jesus? Can we trust the authenticity of the sacred writings such as the Bible?  And it is almost unheard of to foster vigorous skepticism as part of a religious service (though [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed SIRaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed SIRaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslims will neither be altogether surprised nor scandalized when reading ‘Misquoting Jesus’. The fact the Judaeo-Christian scripture has been corrupted and its original meaning distorted is well attested in the Qur’an which . . . more than 1400 years ago . . . stated:
 
‘Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: “This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price! - Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby’ (Surah Al Baqarah, 02 : 79).

For further elucidation on this, read ‘The First &amp; Final Commandment: A Search for Truth in Revelation Within the Abrahamic Religion’ by Dr. Laurence B. Brown.

[Admin note:  This comment was edited slightly because the original comment violated this site's comment policy regarding "preaching."]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslims will neither be altogether surprised nor scandalized when reading ‘Misquoting Jesus’. The fact the Judaeo-Christian scripture has been corrupted and its original meaning distorted is well attested in the Qur’an which . . . more than 1400 years ago . . . stated:</p>
<p>‘Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: “This is from Allah,&#8221; to traffic with it for miserable price! - Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby’ (Surah Al Baqarah, 02 : 79).</p>
<p>For further elucidation on this, read ‘The First &amp; Final Commandment: A Search for Truth in Revelation Within the Abrahamic Religion’ by Dr. Laurence B. Brown.</p>
<p>[Admin note:  This comment was edited slightly because the original comment violated this site's comment policy regarding "preaching."]</p>
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		<title>By: NICHOLAS.SIMPSON</title>
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		<dc:creator>NICHOLAS.SIMPSON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why dont we go out and tell the people, meny who dont belive,but how will they belive if they are not told,not my quot but st-pauls lets go out brother knock on the doors and give people the good news,please explain why we dont do this,i have been trying at the zion chaple for the past six years,from nicholas.simpson@yahoo.co.uk God bless you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why dont we go out and tell the people, meny who dont belive,but how will they belive if they are not told,not my quot but st-pauls lets go out brother knock on the doors and give people the good news,please explain why we dont do this,i have been trying at the zion chaple for the past six years,from <a href="mailto:nicholas.simpson@yahoo.co.uk">nicholas.simpson@yahoo.co.uk</a> God bless you</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arthur: did you actually read the Erhman post before sitting down to post your comment?  Just wondering . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arthur: did you actually read the Erhman post before sitting down to post your comment?  Just wondering . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good day, have you ever considered that the bible, in it's entirety has a unique feature.  It is the only book, ever. that tells you the whole truth about things, before, today, and for the future. even though there are some, minor things that we're of questionable origins. Does this make the bible, un worthy.  Don't worry about this minor things, because as it was written in Rev. 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Please consider this verse so your doubts will all go away. Also, please research about this man, Eliseo F. Soriano, he will guide you in all of your, questions. Please visit him @ www.truthcaster.com for English speakers.  To GOD be the Glory, thru Jesus Christ. Amen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good day, have you ever considered that the bible, in it&#8217;s entirety has a unique feature.  It is the only book, ever. that tells you the whole truth about things, before, today, and for the future. even though there are some, minor things that we&#8217;re of questionable origins. Does this make the bible, un worthy.  Don&#8217;t worry about this minor things, because as it was written in Rev. 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Please consider this verse so your doubts will all go away. Also, please research about this man, Eliseo F. Soriano, he will guide you in all of your, questions. Please visit him @ <a href="http://www.truthcaster.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthcaster.com</a> for English speakers.  To GOD be the Glory, thru Jesus Christ. Amen</p>
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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>james writes, "...I feel better believing in God and Jesus Christ...."

Unfortunately, james, church leaders throughout history have recognized that there is money and power to be had from inventing fanciful stories that make people feel better, so they become very skilled at inventing such stories.  And, obviously, when the measure of success is making people feel better, telling the truth becomes a secondary concern.  

But you're not alone in treating the truth as a secondary concern.  We all do this.  Case in point:  I often feel better believing that I am smart and handsome....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>james writes, &#8220;&#8230;I feel better believing in God and Jesus Christ&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, james, church leaders throughout history have recognized that there is money and power to be had from inventing fanciful stories that make people feel better, so they become very skilled at inventing such stories.  And, obviously, when the measure of success is making people feel better, telling the truth becomes a secondary concern.  </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re not alone in treating the truth as a secondary concern.  We all do this.  Case in point:  I often feel better believing that I am smart and handsome&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow this link for the supposed difference in the last supper account
why is it so hard to believe in God? Is it easier to believe you came from a monkey??  Personally, I feel better believing in God and Jesus Christ, and that I was created by them  http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/po-eat.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow this link for the supposed difference in the last supper account<br />
why is it so hard to believe in God? Is it easier to believe you came from a monkey??  Personally, I feel better believing in God and Jesus Christ, and that I was created by them  <a href="http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/po-eat.htm" rel="nofollow">http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/po-eat.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: chiron613</title>
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		<dc:creator>chiron613</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that Fundamentalists (I mean, ordinary folks, not spokespersons for a Fundamentalist cause) hold to the Bible for reasons that are not based on reason.  I don't mean this in an insulting or disrespectful way, but only to say that their motivations are strong and emotional.

I've known many Fundamentalists over the years.  I now live a block away from Moody Bible Institute, so we have many Fundamentalists living in my building (although many of these are studying to become evangelists).

A large number of these people are coming from troubled situation - addiction to drugs or alcohol, psychiatric illness, physical illness, victims of domestic violence or other abuse, ex-prisoners, and so on.  They find some comfort in the fellowship of a group that accepts them regardless of their history or flaws or social stigmas.  Some may be attracted by the promises of miraculous healing of their various illnesses or wounds.  For many, a Fundamentalist group is the only one that will accept them.  Troubled people are often given a lukewarm reception at a more conventional church; in other social settings they may be rejected outright.  

These people often cling to their group - and to the rules of the group - like a drowning person clinging for dear life to a bit of flotsam.  They may not know what the Bible says, but they will defend the group and the rules as though their lives depend on it.  Because, in fact, their lives *do* depend on it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that Fundamentalists (I mean, ordinary folks, not spokespersons for a Fundamentalist cause) hold to the Bible for reasons that are not based on reason.  I don&#8217;t mean this in an insulting or disrespectful way, but only to say that their motivations are strong and emotional.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve known many Fundamentalists over the years.  I now live a block away from Moody Bible Institute, so we have many Fundamentalists living in my building (although many of these are studying to become evangelists).</p>
<p>A large number of these people are coming from troubled situation - addiction to drugs or alcohol, psychiatric illness, physical illness, victims of domestic violence or other abuse, ex-prisoners, and so on.  They find some comfort in the fellowship of a group that accepts them regardless of their history or flaws or social stigmas.  Some may be attracted by the promises of miraculous healing of their various illnesses or wounds.  For many, a Fundamentalist group is the only one that will accept them.  Troubled people are often given a lukewarm reception at a more conventional church; in other social settings they may be rejected outright.  </p>
<p>These people often cling to their group - and to the rules of the group - like a drowning person clinging for dear life to a bit of flotsam.  They may not know what the Bible says, but they will defend the group and the rules as though their lives depend on it.  Because, in fact, their lives *do* depend on it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grumpy says of my comments: "bearing in mind that the primary opposition is comprised of atheists who have virtually no unified organization that represents their views and who, in any case, don’t really care about ending religion so much as just keeping it out of public legislation. Have a noticeable effect in the next eighteen months? Vicki must be joking."

Grumpy, I'm really not joking that there are things that all people "of good faith" need to work on together NOW and that telling Methodists or Episcopalians or Mennonites that they have to be something like Full Gospel Baptists to be "real Christians", or that they are just as stupid and dangerous as fundamentalists is NOT how to do it. Many religious people, even some evangelicals, are concerned about keeping organized religion out of legislation. There are a number of groups working on it on a national level.

On the "Act Locally" front: The religious right did not get where it is today through some kind of spiritual mojo but through grassroots organizing techniques that any group  can use. (Though under-handed techniques like the Dover School board case can often backfire.)  There is a group we have locally, People Power, that has operated for years under the $4,000 a year donation limit so they don't have to deal with all the paperwork of 501c3 incorporation. They are very useful in getting people to turn up to public meetings and hearings where public testimony can sway votes of elected representatives. They also have candidate questionnaires and endorsement forms, and local candidates do care about being able to put that "Endorsed by People Power" on their campaign literature.

Grassroots organizing doesn't even have to be that organized. I'm sure candidates for your local school board, county superintendent of schools, (if an elected position in your area)  and state leg.  would be quite happy to come to a "meet the candidate" night hosted in somebody's home. Just invite  20-30 neighbors or like-minded folks, serve them coffee and dessert, and let them hear what the candidate has to say. They also have the opportunity to express their concerns to the candidate. Make sure to clear with the candidate whether a fund-raising pitch at the end is OK or not. That's it. 

Blogging may be a good way to raise issues and clarify our views, but so much of politics is still about showing up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grumpy says of my comments: &#8220;bearing in mind that the primary opposition is comprised of atheists who have virtually no unified organization that represents their views and who, in any case, don’t really care about ending religion so much as just keeping it out of public legislation. Have a noticeable effect in the next eighteen months? Vicki must be joking.&#8221;</p>
<p>Grumpy, I&#8217;m really not joking that there are things that all people &#8220;of good faith&#8221; need to work on together NOW and that telling Methodists or Episcopalians or Mennonites that they have to be something like Full Gospel Baptists to be &#8220;real Christians&#8221;, or that they are just as stupid and dangerous as fundamentalists is NOT how to do it. Many religious people, even some evangelicals, are concerned about keeping organized religion out of legislation. There are a number of groups working on it on a national level.</p>
<p>On the &#8220;Act Locally&#8221; front: The religious right did not get where it is today through some kind of spiritual mojo but through grassroots organizing techniques that any group  can use. (Though under-handed techniques like the Dover School board case can often backfire.)  There is a group we have locally, People Power, that has operated for years under the $4,000 a year donation limit so they don&#8217;t have to deal with all the paperwork of 501c3 incorporation. They are very useful in getting people to turn up to public meetings and hearings where public testimony can sway votes of elected representatives. They also have candidate questionnaires and endorsement forms, and local candidates do care about being able to put that &#8220;Endorsed by People Power&#8221; on their campaign literature.</p>
<p>Grassroots organizing doesn&#8217;t even have to be that organized. I&#8217;m sure candidates for your local school board, county superintendent of schools, (if an elected position in your area)  and state leg.  would be quite happy to come to a &#8220;meet the candidate&#8221; night hosted in somebody&#8217;s home. Just invite  20-30 neighbors or like-minded folks, serve them coffee and dessert, and let them hear what the candidate has to say. They also have the opportunity to express their concerns to the candidate. Make sure to clear with the candidate whether a fund-raising pitch at the end is OK or not. That&#8217;s it. </p>
<p>Blogging may be a good way to raise issues and clarify our views, but so much of politics is still about showing up.</p>
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