Comments on: John McCain doesn’t “know” whether condoms reduce risk of HIV http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/03/16/john-mccain-doesnt-know-whether-condoms-reduce-risk-of-hiv/ Human Animals at the Crossroads of Culture, Science, Religion and Media Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:01:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: grumpypilgrim http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/03/16/john-mccain-doesnt-know-whether-condoms-reduce-risk-of-hiv/comment-page-1/#comment-10795 grumpypilgrim Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:34:30 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1149#comment-10795 Indeed, the Bible says nothing about conception, pregnancy, birth or abortion, nor does it say "when life begins" (which is irrelavant to the abortion debate anyway, for reasons I've already discussed, see http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=912). In fact, the Bible adds nothing to any field of scientific understanding, suggesting that it was written by contemporary humans, not an omniscient god. One would have thought that an omniscient god would have foreseen the mess that would result over abortion and would have avoided it by making "His Word" explicit on this point. Obviously, he was so busy writing Commandments that told us how to worship him that he forgot to write any about saving fetuses. In fact, he wouldn't even have needed to write another Commandment, he only needed to embellish the one about "thou shalt not kill" with the sentence: "That includes fetuses." Considering all the "lives" god might have saved with just those three words, it certainly seems odd that he didn't. Indeed, the Bible says nothing about conception, pregnancy, birth or abortion, nor does it say “when life begins” (which is irrelavant to the abortion debate anyway, for reasons I’ve already discussed, see http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=912). In fact, the Bible adds nothing to any field of scientific understanding, suggesting that it was written by contemporary humans, not an omniscient god. One would have thought that an omniscient god would have foreseen the mess that would result over abortion and would have avoided it by making “His Word” explicit on this point. Obviously, he was so busy writing Commandments that told us how to worship him that he forgot to write any about saving fetuses. In fact, he wouldn’t even have needed to write another Commandment, he only needed to embellish the one about “thou shalt not kill” with the sentence: “That includes fetuses.” Considering all the “lives” god might have saved with just those three words, it certainly seems odd that he didn’t.

]]> By: Ben http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/03/16/john-mccain-doesnt-know-whether-condoms-reduce-risk-of-hiv/comment-page-1/#comment-10775 Ben Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:20:56 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1149#comment-10775 Here is how a Christian pro-choice woman justifies abortion... "The Book of Exodus clearly indicates that the fetus does not have the same legal status as a person (Chapter 21:22-23). That verse indicates that if a man pushes a pregnant woman and she then miscarries, he is required only to pay a fine. If the fetus were considered a full person, he would be punished more severely as though he had taken a life." http://www.beliefnet.com/story/120/story_12021_1.html God help us. Here is how a Christian pro-choice woman justifies abortion…

“The Book of Exodus clearly indicates that the fetus does not have the same legal status as a person (Chapter 21:22-23). That verse indicates that if a man pushes a pregnant woman and she then miscarries, he is required only to pay a fine. If the fetus were considered a full person, he would be punished more severely as though he had taken a life.”

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/120/story_12021_1.html

God help us.

]]> By: grumpypilgrim http://dangerousintersection.org/2007/03/16/john-mccain-doesnt-know-whether-condoms-reduce-risk-of-hiv/comment-page-1/#comment-10759 grumpypilgrim Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:35:08 +0000 http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=1149#comment-10759 McCain is a weasel. Look up "weasel" in the dictionary and you will see his picture. Yes, I know I am being baldly contemptuous, but McCain deserves no better. Look up "fawning" and you will see his picture there, too. He is like a dog that wimpers and wags its tail to display obsequiousness. He will say anything to curry favor with the extreme evangelical right-wing of the Republican party, even feigning ignorance about a topic that is understood by anyone who has ever served in the military: using condoms to reduce the risk of STDs. He knows perfectly well that condoms reduce the spread of HIV, but doesn't want to say so for fear of touching one of the many "third-rails" that Chritstian extremists use to decide their vote. Abstinence-only sex ed is one of them. McCain is a weasel. Look up “weasel” in the dictionary and you will see his picture. Yes, I know I am being baldly contemptuous, but McCain deserves no better. Look up “fawning” and you will see his picture there, too. He is like a dog that wimpers and wags its tail to display obsequiousness. He will say anything to curry favor with the extreme evangelical right-wing of the Republican party, even feigning ignorance about a topic that is understood by anyone who has ever served in the military: using condoms to reduce the risk of STDs. He knows perfectly well that condoms reduce the spread of HIV, but doesn’t want to say so for fear of touching one of the many “third-rails” that Chritstian extremists use to decide their vote. Abstinence-only sex ed is one of them.

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