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	<title>Comments on: Hey, anti-Darwinists!  Reconcile this!</title>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/12/02/hey-anti-darwinists-reconcile-this/#comment-15918</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben:  Thanks for sharing the de Waal clip.  He was a good sport on Colbert's show.  As you might suspect, reading his books will give you an immensely more detailed picture of the differences (but mostly the similarities) between humans and the other apes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben:  Thanks for sharing the de Waal clip.  He was a good sport on Colbert&#8217;s show.  As you might suspect, reading his books will give you an immensely more detailed picture of the differences (but mostly the similarities) between humans and the other apes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/12/02/hey-anti-darwinists-reconcile-this/#comment-15914</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Colbert has a monkey's brain...  &lt;a href="http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/27282-colbert-report-frans-de-waal " target="_blank"&gt;Go here for the story.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Colbert has a monkey&#8217;s brain&#8230;  <a href="http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/27282-colbert-report-frans-de-waal " target="_blank">Go here for the story.<br />
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		<title>By: Scholar</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/12/02/hey-anti-darwinists-reconcile-this/#comment-9564</link>
		<dc:creator>Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hogiemo, gentle soul, I asked you about whether you would believe in God even if there was no God and you responded...

"If I lived in an hypothetical world where there were truly no God, I would still believe in God. Perhaps I would be wrong in this belief but, it would not be drugged induced."

I feel that I may have conveyed my question unclearly, or perhaps it was misunderstood. Please let me re-phrase my question and ask it again...

If you lived on a hypothetical world where there truly were no God, and no knowledge of God, and no ability to formulate a belief in God, would you still believe in God?  Hogiemo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hogiemo, gentle soul, I asked you about whether you would believe in God even if there was no God and you responded&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;If I lived in an hypothetical world where there were truly no God, I would still believe in God. Perhaps I would be wrong in this belief but, it would not be drugged induced.&#8221;</p>
<p>I feel that I may have conveyed my question unclearly, or perhaps it was misunderstood. Please let me re-phrase my question and ask it again&#8230;</p>
<p>If you lived on a hypothetical world where there truly were no God, and no knowledge of God, and no ability to formulate a belief in God, would you still believe in God?  Hogiemo?</p>
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		<title>By: Scholar</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/12/02/hey-anti-darwinists-reconcile-this/#comment-9057</link>
		<dc:creator>Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 12:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hogiemo, I offer you some alternative reference websites. Unfortunately they lack all of the opinions, flashing banners, ads, religious jargon, and unsupported "facts" in your Wilson's "almanac". The links I provide will however, prove to be MUCH more reliable, searchable, up-to-date, and *accurate*. 

http://www.encylopedia.com  

It's called "Highbeam" encylopedia and is funded by top Universities. It's a  modern encyclopedia, a very valuable resource, completely free to use!

Or try....

http://en.wikipedia.org/

If it's something related to pop culture, you can't beat Wikipedia.
I like to look at the wikipedia archives for "Stephen Colbert" and the "Daily Show" with John Stewart. It has histories, summaries, video links, and the latest buzz. Also, you (Hogiemo) may be happy to know that Wikipedia has become *quite* well represented by Christians in terms of their input. Anybody can write and edit the stories, but they also have real editors too, so the Christians can't run completely rampant on the science posts. But sadly, the radical Christian influence has become obvious to me, and many of the controversial articles (God vs. Science) seem to be getting swallowed and spoiled by minutiae.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hogiemo, I offer you some alternative reference websites. Unfortunately they lack all of the opinions, flashing banners, ads, religious jargon, and unsupported &#8220;facts&#8221; in your Wilson&#8217;s &#8220;almanac&#8221;. The links I provide will however, prove to be MUCH more reliable, searchable, up-to-date, and *accurate*. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.encylopedia.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.encylopedia.com</a>  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s called &#8220;Highbeam&#8221; encylopedia and is funded by top Universities. It&#8217;s a  modern encyclopedia, a very valuable resource, completely free to use!</p>
<p>Or try&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/</a></p>
<p>If it&#8217;s something related to pop culture, you can&#8217;t beat Wikipedia.<br />
I like to look at the wikipedia archives for &#8220;Stephen Colbert&#8221; and the &#8220;Daily Show&#8221; with John Stewart. It has histories, summaries, video links, and the latest buzz. Also, you (Hogiemo) may be happy to know that Wikipedia has become *quite* well represented by Christians in terms of their input. Anybody can write and edit the stories, but they also have real editors too, so the Christians can&#8217;t run completely rampant on the science posts. But sadly, the radical Christian influence has become obvious to me, and many of the controversial articles (God vs. Science) seem to be getting swallowed and spoiled by minutiae.</p>
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		<title>By: hogiemo</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/12/02/hey-anti-darwinists-reconcile-this/#comment-9024</link>
		<dc:creator>hogiemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 06:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I from you, gentle person. Live free, die well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I from you, gentle person. Live free, die well!</p>
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		<title>By: hogiemo</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/12/02/hey-anti-darwinists-reconcile-this/#comment-9023</link>
		<dc:creator>hogiemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 05:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if you don't know what a "Rockefeller salute" is, go to www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/Oct25_rockefeller_finger/jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if you don&#8217;t know what a &#8220;Rockefeller salute&#8221; is, go to <a href="http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/Oct25_rockefeller_finger/jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/Oct25_rockefeller_finger/jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scholar</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/12/02/hey-anti-darwinists-reconcile-this/#comment-9020</link>
		<dc:creator>Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 04:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hogiemo, I have learned from you, and I hope you have learned from me. Thanks again. (potshot omitted)

In other news today, I stumbled upon what looks to be a valuable website,  Americans for Informed Democracy. Here is the link to AID...

http://www.aidemocracy.org/

Seems like a very high quality news and opinion source, let me know if any of you folks disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hogiemo, I have learned from you, and I hope you have learned from me. Thanks again. (potshot omitted)</p>
<p>In other news today, I stumbled upon what looks to be a valuable website,  Americans for Informed Democracy. Here is the link to AID&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aidemocracy.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aidemocracy.org/</a></p>
<p>Seems like a very high quality news and opinion source, let me know if any of you folks disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: hogiemo</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/12/02/hey-anti-darwinists-reconcile-this/#comment-9013</link>
		<dc:creator>hogiemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentle Scholar, I respectfully disagree. 

If I lived in an hypothetical world where there were truly no God, I would still believe in God. Perhaps I would be wrong in this belief but, it would not be drugged induced.

I have examined many faiths and question my own but, unless I were the sole occupant of the hypothetical world (and therefore God) I would believe in God, and we would still have something like what we have now as far as belief or non-belief goes in the world. If your premise of the non-existence of God is true then, the world without God is not hypothetical at all but our current reality.

The question is why? Why do some human animals postulate the existence of a being which is "God"? 

I assert that a sense of the numinous is an essential part of what differentiates humans from other animals. As our ancestors looked up in awe at the night sky, they sought to explain that for which they had no explanation. As our knowledge has increased, so too has our understanding of the limits of our knowledge, and still we are in awe.

Some sense the numinous and might seek a unifed field theory, or another a faith explanation, or another some amalgram of the two. That is also not to say that upon the description of a unified filed theory, my belief in God will wink out of existence!

I have chosen to believe in God, and I see the revelations of science as the unfolding of the wonders of the universe which God has made.  

As for my faults, I own them. I don't take potshots at others without any knowledge of who they are but, I do like to give those which do a Rockefeller salute!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentle Scholar, I respectfully disagree. </p>
<p>If I lived in an hypothetical world where there were truly no God, I would still believe in God. Perhaps I would be wrong in this belief but, it would not be drugged induced.</p>
<p>I have examined many faiths and question my own but, unless I were the sole occupant of the hypothetical world (and therefore God) I would believe in God, and we would still have something like what we have now as far as belief or non-belief goes in the world. If your premise of the non-existence of God is true then, the world without God is not hypothetical at all but our current reality.</p>
<p>The question is why? Why do some human animals postulate the existence of a being which is &#8220;God&#8221;? </p>
<p>I assert that a sense of the numinous is an essential part of what differentiates humans from other animals. As our ancestors looked up in awe at the night sky, they sought to explain that for which they had no explanation. As our knowledge has increased, so too has our understanding of the limits of our knowledge, and still we are in awe.</p>
<p>Some sense the numinous and might seek a unifed field theory, or another a faith explanation, or another some amalgram of the two. That is also not to say that upon the description of a unified filed theory, my belief in God will wink out of existence!</p>
<p>I have chosen to believe in God, and I see the revelations of science as the unfolding of the wonders of the universe which God has made.  </p>
<p>As for my faults, I own them. I don&#8217;t take potshots at others without any knowledge of who they are but, I do like to give those which do a Rockefeller salute!</p>
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		<title>By: Scholar</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/12/02/hey-anti-darwinists-reconcile-this/#comment-9008</link>
		<dc:creator>Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Erich, just want to point out one thing, for now. You said (knowing you would get a reaction out of me :) ).... "Show me someone who selflessly jumps to the aid of a hurt stranger and I’ll show you someone who likely believes in some sort of God."  The flaw which I see is that you say 'selfless', but if you think about it, that person is really just serving God. The fact is, if they believe that God is all powerful and controls everything, they are really just acting "selfishly" in an attempt to please God and get a quick ticket to Heaven by doing good deeds. Complicated, but I think important that it is possible to see an act of generosity where really the motive is just as "human"/selfish as ever. 

As the administrator of the site, you have attempted (and succeeded) in maintaining a level playing field. You probably have encountered and discussed some issues which required restraint on your part in order not to alienate your opponents. An admirable, yet rarely acquired, ability (in my experience on the Internet). 

I guess that I am somewhat dishonest in that I present a slightly more aggressive attitude when I am posting, as opposed to when talking over the dinner table, at a party, etc. My reasoning is that, having witnessed some of the extremist and downright *afflicted* attitudes here on the web, my defenses are indeed raised.  For many years I did not voice my opinions online and was content to be one of the smart folks who "just isn't concerned" with those Christian Fundamentalist Mor(m)ons. Now that I am actually posting, and as my interests (addictions) tend to change with circumstance, I want to make an impact while I am here on the web.  I prefer to play the role of the *extreme opposite* of what I have disliked and disapproved of over the years. I may still have some atheist rage pent up, or it could be my unconscious using the game theory strategy that "a good offense is the best defense". I guess I was/am willing to let the "poetic" Christians dismiss me as an extremist in exchange for being (attempting) the countervoice to their extremists, thus providing a decoy so as to diffuse attacks on the "average" atheist. Noble, I know. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Erich, just want to point out one thing, for now. You said (knowing you would get a reaction out of me <img src='http://dangerousintersection.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )&#8230;. &#8220;Show me someone who selflessly jumps to the aid of a hurt stranger and I’ll show you someone who likely believes in some sort of God.&#8221;  The flaw which I see is that you say &#8217;selfless&#8217;, but if you think about it, that person is really just serving God. The fact is, if they believe that God is all powerful and controls everything, they are really just acting &#8220;selfishly&#8221; in an attempt to please God and get a quick ticket to Heaven by doing good deeds. Complicated, but I think important that it is possible to see an act of generosity where really the motive is just as &#8220;human&#8221;/selfish as ever. </p>
<p>As the administrator of the site, you have attempted (and succeeded) in maintaining a level playing field. You probably have encountered and discussed some issues which required restraint on your part in order not to alienate your opponents. An admirable, yet rarely acquired, ability (in my experience on the Internet). </p>
<p>I guess that I am somewhat dishonest in that I present a slightly more aggressive attitude when I am posting, as opposed to when talking over the dinner table, at a party, etc. My reasoning is that, having witnessed some of the extremist and downright *afflicted* attitudes here on the web, my defenses are indeed raised.  For many years I did not voice my opinions online and was content to be one of the smart folks who &#8220;just isn&#8217;t concerned&#8221; with those Christian Fundamentalist Mor(m)ons. Now that I am actually posting, and as my interests (addictions) tend to change with circumstance, I want to make an impact while I am here on the web.  I prefer to play the role of the *extreme opposite* of what I have disliked and disapproved of over the years. I may still have some atheist rage pent up, or it could be my unconscious using the game theory strategy that &#8220;a good offense is the best defense&#8221;. I guess I was/am willing to let the &#8220;poetic&#8221; Christians dismiss me as an extremist in exchange for being (attempting) the countervoice to their extremists, thus providing a decoy so as to diffuse attacks on the &#8220;average&#8221; atheist. Noble, I know. <img src='http://dangerousintersection.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tired Scholar</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/12/02/hey-anti-darwinists-reconcile-this/#comment-8995</link>
		<dc:creator>Tired Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My initial reaction (not having studied your post or heard all the conferences yet), is that I agree. In fact, at some point I was, going to make ammends with certain groups, but I was sidetracked, as you can see is possible. I think I am a little less tolerant of "passive ignorance" than you may be. At the same time (this was gonna be one of my next posts, I swear on the holy... oh nevermind), I realize the danger in awakening the "sleeping dog". I think our wise friend Hogiemo is in this situation. He may not want nor require "awakening". Please do not judge me by what I say (not that you have), I am very different in real life, less talkative and aggressive, I think. Plus, any faults I have are just God's faults. See how easy being Christian is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My initial reaction (not having studied your post or heard all the conferences yet), is that I agree. In fact, at some point I was, going to make ammends with certain groups, but I was sidetracked, as you can see is possible. I think I am a little less tolerant of &#8220;passive ignorance&#8221; than you may be. At the same time (this was gonna be one of my next posts, I swear on the holy&#8230; oh nevermind), I realize the danger in awakening the &#8220;sleeping dog&#8221;. I think our wise friend Hogiemo is in this situation. He may not want nor require &#8220;awakening&#8221;. Please do not judge me by what I say (not that you have), I am very different in real life, less talkative and aggressive, I think. Plus, any faults I have are just God&#8217;s faults. See how easy being Christian is.</p>
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