The “Holocaust” has been made into an item of faith. Temples are built to commemorate it. Jews are not the only ones in those mass graves. And there are many more that died after peace was declared under the Allies and the Bolsheviks. http://www.louisbeam.com/holocaust.htm

In the huge open-air-mind-control-experiment commonly known as America, you will only hear the part that serves the experiment. When the subjects {grunts?} are made uncomfortable they have been provided trigger-words {conspiracy, paranoid, nonsense, denial, antishemitism} to regurgitate which allows them to go into ignore/ridicule mode.

In case it wasn’t obvious, I was being sarcastic when I said “they have the Bible to light their way” - the only way for the Bible to light anyone’s way is to set it on fire and use it as a torch. Religious zealots, of course, don’t realize that; they can’t tell truth from fiction, if that fiction has a cross on the cover.

I hate the harm that comes from adherence to ANY dogmatic religious doctrine which presumes and authority “above” human law. As far as your distinction between “judeo-christians” and “christians”–and I perfectly well understand what you’re talking about–I could care less. One religion is as potentially dogmatic as any other.

I would point out though that Christ likely as not did not intend for his followers to become “christians”–he was fulfilling Jewish prophecy, after all, and so probably thought to add another layer of reform on Judaism itself.

For that matter, I don’t think America’s support of Israel has ever had any direct relation to Judaism itself–we invested in Israel as a cold war player and never mind what they were, not to mention doing something about this group that had been a sacrificial pawn throughout the last two millennia, becoming ultimately the lightening rod of WWII. (There was some consideration given, I don’t know how seriously, to exiling Germans from Germany–a second diaspora, since they had been the cause of so much crap since Bismarck turned them into a unified nation.)

I scenting a whif of “the international Jewish conspiracy” in some of your claims. Vesting in anything that smacks of “destiny” or “god’s plan”, resulting in more of this kind of paranoid nonsense has been the bane of the 20th Century. We need to get over it.

And so, to my, all religion is essentially the same–an intellectual mobius strip that occasionally leads people into hell. I have no use for any of it.

“What follows may be a bit on the intolerant side, but I’m sometimes convinced our condemnation of intolerance makes us too unwilling to be simply impatient. We “tolerate” a lot of nonsense because we don’t want to be accused of” - antishemitism. Yea, it’s safe to whack christians all day, but start talking about the self-Chosen and quoting their “holy-book” and see what happens. What you don’t seem to understand is you are talking about quasi-jews {judeo=christians} but calling them christians.

“We have an administration more overtly religious than any in recent memory. Bush’s power base is rooted in the {{my translation = judeo-christian}} community, who do see this war in terms of revelation and prophecy. It is the culture {{talmudic}} of this administration that has “allowed” this to happen.”

This is the reason you hate christians so, because they are ignorantly acting out Talmudism. But the Talmudists have garnered incredible political power, so we can’t be intolerant of them. There are people in prison right now for telling the truth about what happened in WWII, as our soldiers serve as Jewish mercenaries in the Middle East.

We don’t get how someone can be more dedicated to bozo-theology than to the democratic processes that have given us the freedom to be–among other things–religious according to our wishes. They don’t seem to get that if they win their program, that freedom disappears.

I was right with you up until this. They get it, alright. It’s what they desire above all else (except maybe the end of the world) - that they will finally recover the legal right to persecute and destroy anyone who rejects their faith. It’s why people call them the Christian Taliban - because they approve of the Taliban’s methods, just not the specific choice of god in whose service they use those methods.

The religious right is sometimes described as wanting to roll back the Enlightement. This is true but incomplete. They want to roll back the *Renaissance* and create a Second Age of Faith. The fact that the first Age of Faith is not-so-coincidentally also known as the Dark Ages doesn’t bother them a bit - they have the Bible to light their way.

The US government’s {in}actions have encouraged the Israelis, who know that they can literally get away with murder, knowing that the US will back their “right” to oppress and kill Palestinians in the name of war or security.

It has always been the unofficial Israeli government policy to make life as miserable as possible for all Palestinians, so that they will leave on their own accord. Once they leave, they are forbidden by law ever to return. Most Palestinians stay, of course, mostly because they have no other place to go. And so Palestine continues to compete for the title of Most Wretched Place on Earth.

Some do fight back, of course, and these are then labeled “terrorists.” How dare they fight back! Do they not know that the Israelis have a right to security and self-defense? Those who fight back are thus used as “proof” that the Israeli policies are necessary to keep law and order and to keep Israeli citizens secure.

The most recent Israeli incursion into Gaza is just another of a long string of war tactics designed to kill more Palestinians, keep the pot boiling, and ensure that more Palestinians will finally lose all hope. Out of despair and hatred, they will turn themselves into suicide bombers, which in turn will provide the Israelis with more “proof” that they were right all along.

With such a policy of expulsion by oppression, the world looks on aghast at the partiality toward the Israelis and cannot understand how we can talk about human rights everywhere except in Palestine. Our partiality in judgment shows the world that we are a hypocritical nation that bases its foreign policy on the idea of Jews being God’s Privileged People.

It may be true that “not one dime of federal money earmarked for Bush’s faith-based initiatives has gone to non-christian groups” but that certainly does not mean that judeo-christian groups are unsupportive of jews. We should also mention the billions of dollars that go directly to the Israelis every year via “foreign policy” and direct gifts of arms.

Now, all that said, do you know the difference between anti-shemitism, anti-jewish, and anti-Zionist?

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/11/29/075801.php

It also captures the way I feel when people tell me that Atheism is a religion. I was getting to the point where I had begun to question whether it was worth calling myself an Atheist, because people (Christians) don’t seem to share the same definition of Atheism as I do.

here is an excerpt: “There is a fundamental difference between faith and atheism that cuts to the essence of what religion is. A scientific-minded atheist believes that science can explain the world and the universe. This does not require that it already has explained everything; only that it can. This is a world view based on hypothesis and evidence. For most religions, on the other hand, faith in the absence of clear evidence is a virtue.”
-S