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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/27/burning-issue/#comment-762</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hogiemo's mention of the Cold War reminded me of all the discussion back in the early 1990s about a so-called "peace dividend" that was supposed to happen after the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union split up.   What were we going to do with all the money we were going to save when we didn't need to spend so much on our military defense against communism?  Of course, we didn't save anything:  people with a vested interest in more military spending kept right on lobbying for more money until 9/11 gave them a new opportunity to suck more money out of the public till.  I still remember Bush's idiotic campaign ads in 2004 about how America needs more B2 bombers to fight the war on terrorism, as if there are so many terrorist camps in the world that we need a whole fleet of B2s to deal with them all.  Meanwhile, neocons argue exactly the opposite belief (again, just to get money) by claiming that terrorism represents a "new threat" to America.  In what way is terrorism a "new threat?"  Has there ever been a time in American history when someone, somewhere on the planet, didn't want to kill Americans and couldn't find someone to help support the effort?  America spends more money on its military than the rest of the world COMBINED, yet we are somehow still unprepared for a terrorist attack?  Exactly what sort of attack ARE we prepared for?

It's time to face the fact that the main reason why politicians in Washington are writing blank checks to "fight the war on terrorism" is not because America is facing some new and enormous threat.   The reason is because politicians in Washington realize that *they personally* are on the front lines of the battlefield.  If a nuclear bomb or a bio-weapon ever explodes in America, it won't likely be in Memphis or Seattle or Houston; it will most likely be in Washington, and ground zero will most likely be the U.S. Capitol.  That's why so many Congressional politicians have thrown common sense out the window to wage war on every imagined "terrorist" threat on the planet, and will probably continue to do so.  They might be unwilling to spend public money to support retirees, veterans or welfare mothers, but they are more than willing to spend unlimited public money to protect their own hides.  What's "new" about the threat of terrorism isn't that terrorism is a new type of threat; it's that terrorists have never hit so close to home against the people with the power to spend public money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hogiemo&#8217;s mention of the Cold War reminded me of all the discussion back in the early 1990s about a so-called &#8220;peace dividend&#8221; that was supposed to happen after the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union split up.   What were we going to do with all the money we were going to save when we didn&#8217;t need to spend so much on our military defense against communism?  Of course, we didn&#8217;t save anything:  people with a vested interest in more military spending kept right on lobbying for more money until 9/11 gave them a new opportunity to suck more money out of the public till.  I still remember Bush&#8217;s idiotic campaign ads in 2004 about how America needs more B2 bombers to fight the war on terrorism, as if there are so many terrorist camps in the world that we need a whole fleet of B2s to deal with them all.  Meanwhile, neocons argue exactly the opposite belief (again, just to get money) by claiming that terrorism represents a &#8220;new threat&#8221; to America.  In what way is terrorism a &#8220;new threat?&#8221;  Has there ever been a time in American history when someone, somewhere on the planet, didn&#8217;t want to kill Americans and couldn&#8217;t find someone to help support the effort?  America spends more money on its military than the rest of the world COMBINED, yet we are somehow still unprepared for a terrorist attack?  Exactly what sort of attack ARE we prepared for?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to face the fact that the main reason why politicians in Washington are writing blank checks to &#8220;fight the war on terrorism&#8221; is not because America is facing some new and enormous threat.   The reason is because politicians in Washington realize that *they personally* are on the front lines of the battlefield.  If a nuclear bomb or a bio-weapon ever explodes in America, it won&#8217;t likely be in Memphis or Seattle or Houston; it will most likely be in Washington, and ground zero will most likely be the U.S. Capitol.  That&#8217;s why so many Congressional politicians have thrown common sense out the window to wage war on every imagined &#8220;terrorist&#8221; threat on the planet, and will probably continue to do so.  They might be unwilling to spend public money to support retirees, veterans or welfare mothers, but they are more than willing to spend unlimited public money to protect their own hides.  What&#8217;s &#8220;new&#8221; about the threat of terrorism isn&#8217;t that terrorism is a new type of threat; it&#8217;s that terrorists have never hit so close to home against the people with the power to spend public money.</p>
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		<title>By: hogiemo</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/27/burning-issue/#comment-754</link>
		<dc:creator>hogiemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we can always do more..and in the end we can never do enough. 

What we need is a national debate about what is essential to maintain that quantum of justice which we call the United States of America. Instead of bitter partisanship and 15 second soundbites comparing the other side to Saddam or Osama, let's us look instead towards distinguishing a possible new future for us and our children in the post Cold War era. 

If we strive to empower those which are powerless or oppressed, seek to protect the gifts of our children and our world, and find it within ourselves to make a choice to include all in participating in the critical decisions of our time, we will not yield to calls for an immoral vision of politics. We must make a stand for these, and for ourselves, lest we lose our way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we can always do more..and in the end we can never do enough. </p>
<p>What we need is a national debate about what is essential to maintain that quantum of justice which we call the United States of America. Instead of bitter partisanship and 15 second soundbites comparing the other side to Saddam or Osama, let&#8217;s us look instead towards distinguishing a possible new future for us and our children in the post Cold War era. </p>
<p>If we strive to empower those which are powerless or oppressed, seek to protect the gifts of our children and our world, and find it within ourselves to make a choice to include all in participating in the critical decisions of our time, we will not yield to calls for an immoral vision of politics. We must make a stand for these, and for ourselves, lest we lose our way.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Price</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/27/burning-issue/#comment-721</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 06:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both. And the Democratic Party for a) never having a sound response and b) committing many of the same crimes, if even in smaller amounts. And we should blame the deadlocked two-partiness of the current system, for making these kinds of shams more readily possible. And we should blame the people a second time for not recognizing the inherrent problem with large, extremely rich parties with master plans. We should blame every hand in this enourmous, multifaceted issue, but not with the intention of passing the responsibility. No, we have to take the blame and the initiative too, even if we do notice and care and speak out about the problem. We can always do more.  Plenty of corruption to go around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both. And the Democratic Party for a) never having a sound response and b) committing many of the same crimes, if even in smaller amounts. And we should blame the deadlocked two-partiness of the current system, for making these kinds of shams more readily possible. And we should blame the people a second time for not recognizing the inherrent problem with large, extremely rich parties with master plans. We should blame every hand in this enourmous, multifaceted issue, but not with the intention of passing the responsibility. No, we have to take the blame and the initiative too, even if we do notice and care and speak out about the problem. We can always do more.  Plenty of corruption to go around.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/27/burning-issue/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can be very tough to be a freshman congressperson.  You are expected to do what the party bosses tell you to do; otherwise, you won't receive plum committee assignments, you won't get to help sponsor bills and, worst of all, you won't be given pork...er, I mean, important federally-funded projects...for your district.  It is a sick and twisted environment that often has nothing whatsoever to do with serving the country or representing ones' constituents.  Of course, as freshman congresspeople move up the ladder and gain seniority, they gain privileges, one of which is to do to incoming freshmen what was done to them.  It's a great example of the sort of social norms I discussed in a previous post (see http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=188).  

What is perhaps most disturbing about Republicans is how much time they waste on legislation they know will never pass, merely for the sake of political maneuvering.  Democrats do it, too, of course, but nowhere near as much as Republicans.  While the country suffers with serious problems -- like border security, immigration, health care, Iraq, etc. -- Republicans occupy themselves with worthless bills to ban flag burning and same-sex marriage.  And need we even mention their truly outrageous grandstanding over Terri Schiavo?

In fact, the entire impeachment effort against Clinton was another fine example of Republican bloviation.  The impeachment outcome hinged on whether or not Clinton had committed perjury when he lied under oath about his relationship with Lewinsky:  no perjury, no valid grounds for impeachment.  However, before Congressional Republicans even began their impeachment effort, the federal judge in the case in which Clinton lied under oath had *already ruled* that Clinton had not committed perjury.  Thus, Republicans went into the impeachment hearings knowing the whole thing was a sham.  It was orchestrated solely to make Clinton (and, by extension, Democrats) look bad, so Repulicans would do better in the next election (which, of course, they did).  

But here's the key question:  should we shame Republicans for doing it or should we shame the American public for not paying enough attention to their government to see this garbage for what it is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be very tough to be a freshman congressperson.  You are expected to do what the party bosses tell you to do; otherwise, you won&#8217;t receive plum committee assignments, you won&#8217;t get to help sponsor bills and, worst of all, you won&#8217;t be given pork&#8230;er, I mean, important federally-funded projects&#8230;for your district.  It is a sick and twisted environment that often has nothing whatsoever to do with serving the country or representing ones&#8217; constituents.  Of course, as freshman congresspeople move up the ladder and gain seniority, they gain privileges, one of which is to do to incoming freshmen what was done to them.  It&#8217;s a great example of the sort of social norms I discussed in a previous post (see <a href="http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=188" rel="nofollow">http://dangerousintersection.org/?p=188</a>).  </p>
<p>What is perhaps most disturbing about Republicans is how much time they waste on legislation they know will never pass, merely for the sake of political maneuvering.  Democrats do it, too, of course, but nowhere near as much as Republicans.  While the country suffers with serious problems &#8212; like border security, immigration, health care, Iraq, etc. &#8212; Republicans occupy themselves with worthless bills to ban flag burning and same-sex marriage.  And need we even mention their truly outrageous grandstanding over Terri Schiavo?</p>
<p>In fact, the entire impeachment effort against Clinton was another fine example of Republican bloviation.  The impeachment outcome hinged on whether or not Clinton had committed perjury when he lied under oath about his relationship with Lewinsky:  no perjury, no valid grounds for impeachment.  However, before Congressional Republicans even began their impeachment effort, the federal judge in the case in which Clinton lied under oath had *already ruled* that Clinton had not committed perjury.  Thus, Republicans went into the impeachment hearings knowing the whole thing was a sham.  It was orchestrated solely to make Clinton (and, by extension, Democrats) look bad, so Repulicans would do better in the next election (which, of course, they did).  </p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the key question:  should we shame Republicans for doing it or should we shame the American public for not paying enough attention to their government to see this garbage for what it is?</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Price</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/27/burning-issue/#comment-709</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a man who used to work in the upper rungs of the Republican Party's campaign planning, who has since jumped ship to work for a nonpartisan organization. He told me that the Republican Party engineers its votes meticulously, even telling its "moderate" congressmen when the party will &lt;em&gt;allow&lt;/em&gt; them to vote against the grain for the sake of winning their constituents. I've heard this practice reported on NPR, too. The engineering of showy politics proves very disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a man who used to work in the upper rungs of the Republican Party&#8217;s campaign planning, who has since jumped ship to work for a nonpartisan organization. He told me that the Republican Party engineers its votes meticulously, even telling its &#8220;moderate&#8221; congressmen when the party will <em>allow</em> them to vote against the grain for the sake of winning their constituents. I&#8217;ve heard this practice reported on NPR, too. The engineering of showy politics proves very disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/27/burning-issue/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned more today about this week's historic vote.  There never was any chance of the proposed amendment passing.  The reason the vote fell one short was because most Senators had no intention of passing it.  Instead, Republicans and a bunch of Democrats (mostly in swing states) wanted to better position themselves for this November's election, so the maximum number of Democrats (and Republicans) voted for the amendment while still ensuring it would fail.  The whole thing was just a political stunt orchestrated by the Republican-controlled Congress in an effort to give voters something else to think about this November instead of the expensive disaster in Iraq; i.e., it was fodder for all the voters who base their votes on sound bites and political ads rather than on what Congress is actually (not) doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned more today about this week&#8217;s historic vote.  There never was any chance of the proposed amendment passing.  The reason the vote fell one short was because most Senators had no intention of passing it.  Instead, Republicans and a bunch of Democrats (mostly in swing states) wanted to better position themselves for this November&#8217;s election, so the maximum number of Democrats (and Republicans) voted for the amendment while still ensuring it would fail.  The whole thing was just a political stunt orchestrated by the Republican-controlled Congress in an effort to give voters something else to think about this November instead of the expensive disaster in Iraq; i.e., it was fodder for all the voters who base their votes on sound bites and political ads rather than on what Congress is actually (not) doing.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpypilgrim</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/27/burning-issue/#comment-678</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpypilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can all breathe a sigh of relief:  the proposed Amendment fell a bare one vote short.  Good thing for me:  I just bought stamps today that have the American flag printed on them, and I would sure hate to go to jail for "desecrating" the flag by putting my spit on the back to send a letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can all breathe a sigh of relief:  the proposed Amendment fell a bare one vote short.  Good thing for me:  I just bought stamps today that have the American flag printed on them, and I would sure hate to go to jail for &#8220;desecrating&#8221; the flag by putting my spit on the back to send a letter.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/27/burning-issue/#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason:

Good point about the Ninth Amendment. I had to look up the text; it's not often discussed in the case law. But it's right there in the Constitution. For brief discussion, &lt;a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment09/"&gt;see here&lt;/a&gt;.

The text of the Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason:</p>
<p>Good point about the Ninth Amendment. I had to look up the text; it&#8217;s not often discussed in the case law. But it&#8217;s right there in the Constitution. For brief discussion, <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment09/">see here</a>.</p>
<p>The text of the Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Rayl</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/27/burning-issue/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Rayl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, theoretically--I should have put that in quotes--an activist legislator is just doing his job, which is Making Law.  Judges, according to one view, aren't supposed to do that--they're supposed to interpret.  An activist judge would be one who finds un-legislatively-enacted law in the interstices of past legislative efforts and define into existence rights and wrongs that were previously unvoiced.

Seems to me the Ninth Amendment permits for exactly that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, theoretically&#8211;I should have put that in quotes&#8211;an activist legislator is just doing his job, which is Making Law.  Judges, according to one view, aren&#8217;t supposed to do that&#8211;they&#8217;re supposed to interpret.  An activist judge would be one who finds un-legislatively-enacted law in the interstices of past legislative efforts and define into existence rights and wrongs that were previously unvoiced.</p>
<p>Seems to me the Ninth Amendment permits for exactly that.</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Vieth</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/27/burning-issue/#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Vieth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's one big difference between an activist judge and an activist legislator? The latter is free to launch smear campaigns against the former in the press. It would be nice to hear more judges speaking out on the short-sighted antics of our activist legislators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s one big difference between an activist judge and an activist legislator? The latter is free to launch smear campaigns against the former in the press. It would be nice to hear more judges speaking out on the short-sighted antics of our activist legislators.</p>
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