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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/07/why-gay-people-simply-must-go-to-hell/comment-page-2/#comment-122080</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 01:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a practicing Catholic, active in my Church and the community. I am celibate. As a younger man I was actively gay, then I just stopped having sex. I believe that God made me this way. But I also believe that like any person not within a marriage, I must be celibate. I suppose that I live in the gay subculture but I have wonderful friends, a wide variety of them. I try to be kind to everyone as much as I can. Additionally, I was messed with as a kid by a child molester shrink who put me away for nearly two years at age 16 and have chronic depression and have been on medication for years. I love God. God loves me. I do the best I can. I cannot fail to have compassion for those who are not well or who hurt, even if I don&#039;t completely see things the way they do. My compassion has extended to people who in the past have hurt me. Will I go to hell? I hope not. Only God will judge. Some say only the good die young - but I am nearly 60, have lost at least 30 friends to HIV and question why I am still here. My Pastor said God is not finished with me yet. I have a hard time believing that gays would go to hell because of whom they love, unless they are prostitutes. Jesus Christ said nothing about homosexuality, to my knowledge. I hope gays don&#039;t go to hell because some are very loving people who make tremendous contributions of time to their communities in positive ways. I hope we all make it to heaven. I would not wish anything less for anyone, and only God can judge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a practicing Catholic, active in my Church and the community. I am celibate. As a younger man I was actively gay, then I just stopped having sex. I believe that God made me this way. But I also believe that like any person not within a marriage, I must be celibate. I suppose that I live in the gay subculture but I have wonderful friends, a wide variety of them. I try to be kind to everyone as much as I can. Additionally, I was messed with as a kid by a child molester shrink who put me away for nearly two years at age 16 and have chronic depression and have been on medication for years. I love God. God loves me. I do the best I can. I cannot fail to have compassion for those who are not well or who hurt, even if I don&#8217;t completely see things the way they do. My compassion has extended to people who in the past have hurt me. Will I go to hell? I hope not. Only God will judge. Some say only the good die young &#8211; but I am nearly 60, have lost at least 30 friends to HIV and question why I am still here. My Pastor said God is not finished with me yet. I have a hard time believing that gays would go to hell because of whom they love, unless they are prostitutes. Jesus Christ said nothing about homosexuality, to my knowledge. I hope gays don&#8217;t go to hell because some are very loving people who make tremendous contributions of time to their communities in positive ways. I hope we all make it to heaven. I would not wish anything less for anyone, and only God can judge.</p>
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		<title>By: Niklaus Pfirsig</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/07/why-gay-people-simply-must-go-to-hell/comment-page-3/#comment-121456</link>
		<dc:creator>Niklaus Pfirsig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How, exactly, does god make his/her wishes known? When a politician says, &quot;Ya&#039; know, I was talkin&#039; to god last night and god said &#039;Jim, I want you throw all them fags in jail, except for the ones that are Republican&#039;&quot;, I get really nervous.

  The roman Emperor Caligula, who developed mental illness after a fever, decreed himself to be a god. Various dictators through history have claimed divinity. They were all certifiably nuts.

  When someone writes the delusional rantings of nut jobs down, combines those rantings with transcriptions of oral histories, mythologies and philosophy, sticks it on a shelf for a few centuries before translating it into several languages, revising and editing it to support contemporary politics, the rantings become true wisdom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How, exactly, does god make his/her wishes known? When a politician says, &#8220;Ya&#8217; know, I was talkin&#8217; to god last night and god said &#8216;Jim, I want you throw all them fags in jail, except for the ones that are Republican&#8217;&#8221;, I get really nervous.</p>
<p>  The roman Emperor Caligula, who developed mental illness after a fever, decreed himself to be a god. Various dictators through history have claimed divinity. They were all certifiably nuts.</p>
<p>  When someone writes the delusional rantings of nut jobs down, combines those rantings with transcriptions of oral histories, mythologies and philosophy, sticks it on a shelf for a few centuries before translating it into several languages, revising and editing it to support contemporary politics, the rantings become true wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: TheOne</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/07/why-gay-people-simply-must-go-to-hell/comment-page-2/#comment-121453</link>
		<dc:creator>TheOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This world is about one thing and only one thing: 

Each person using their brain and inner voice 100% of the time, listening to it wisely.

Each person knows how they do that (aside from mentally ill)

The rest, the religions, the colors, the science, the races, the nations and borders, are all setups to confuse and test you on that one basis. 

That is the best I can describe my sum of learnings in 3 decades of life on earth, having been through multiple religions and continents.


Do you listen to a book whose origins could be questionable and murder people for whatever excuse the book condemns them with?

Or

Do you have an inner voice that warns against that and you follow that? A 6th sense perhaps? A gut voice maybe?

Because in one case, you are a drone, not a free human being. You might as well not be free. For it is so easy to believe and say, 1. he is god, 2. this is god&#039;s word, 3. I&#039;ll have to do it regardless of anything and everything. that my friend, reaches its apex in suicide bombing. 

There you go, that&#039;s one religion against the other, and the last religion in the world, islam, claims to be from the same god that sent jesus down here... yet, it professes and glorifies dying in martyrdom to kill the infidels and occupiers and imperialists or whatever &quot;label&quot; they can find to call bad... including gays

I believe that in the end, you can only do the wrong or the right based on not listening or listening to your inner voice ONLY.

For that is the God within the temple of each human being. The Conscious. The One.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This world is about one thing and only one thing: </p>
<p>Each person using their brain and inner voice 100% of the time, listening to it wisely.</p>
<p>Each person knows how they do that (aside from mentally ill)</p>
<p>The rest, the religions, the colors, the science, the races, the nations and borders, are all setups to confuse and test you on that one basis. </p>
<p>That is the best I can describe my sum of learnings in 3 decades of life on earth, having been through multiple religions and continents.</p>
<p>Do you listen to a book whose origins could be questionable and murder people for whatever excuse the book condemns them with?</p>
<p>Or</p>
<p>Do you have an inner voice that warns against that and you follow that? A 6th sense perhaps? A gut voice maybe?</p>
<p>Because in one case, you are a drone, not a free human being. You might as well not be free. For it is so easy to believe and say, 1. he is god, 2. this is god&#8217;s word, 3. I&#8217;ll have to do it regardless of anything and everything. that my friend, reaches its apex in suicide bombing. </p>
<p>There you go, that&#8217;s one religion against the other, and the last religion in the world, islam, claims to be from the same god that sent jesus down here&#8230; yet, it professes and glorifies dying in martyrdom to kill the infidels and occupiers and imperialists or whatever &#8220;label&#8221; they can find to call bad&#8230; including gays</p>
<p>I believe that in the end, you can only do the wrong or the right based on not listening or listening to your inner voice ONLY.</p>
<p>For that is the God within the temple of each human being. The Conscious. The One.</p>
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		<title>By: TheOne</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/07/why-gay-people-simply-must-go-to-hell/comment-page-2/#comment-121451</link>
		<dc:creator>TheOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Try fixing a 40 year old gay man. you have to rebirth him with a new healthy biology with no hormone imbalances. and then his brain will form properly. otherwise, you have a woman brain, in a man body, who is doomed to hell anyway. Resisting those urges is not the same as resisting the urge to murder people. It is pain. It is like resisting your wife! 

You need to see a psychiatrist, or a priest... STAT!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try fixing a 40 year old gay man. you have to rebirth him with a new healthy biology with no hormone imbalances. and then his brain will form properly. otherwise, you have a woman brain, in a man body, who is doomed to hell anyway. Resisting those urges is not the same as resisting the urge to murder people. It is pain. It is like resisting your wife! </p>
<p>You need to see a psychiatrist, or a priest&#8230; STAT!</p>
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		<title>By: TheOne</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/07/why-gay-people-simply-must-go-to-hell/comment-page-2/#comment-121450</link>
		<dc:creator>TheOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;God&quot;, can only be one.
&quot;God&quot;, is the only one who can judge everything and everyone.
&quot;You&quot;, better think about your own actions, for God&#039;s &quot;Justice&quot; and &quot;judgment&quot; is based on YOUR actions. 
&quot;God&quot; is almighty. He can do whatever he wishes, even change his own word or forgive one&#039;s sins. 
&quot;You&quot;, better think of your own B-hind my children. For The One, cares about each of you separate from the others...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God&#8221;, can only be one.<br />
&#8220;God&#8221;, is the only one who can judge everything and everyone.<br />
&#8220;You&#8221;, better think about your own actions, for God&#8217;s &#8220;Justice&#8221; and &#8220;judgment&#8221; is based on YOUR actions.<br />
&#8220;God&#8221; is almighty. He can do whatever he wishes, even change his own word or forgive one&#8217;s sins.<br />
&#8220;You&#8221;, better think of your own B-hind my children. For The One, cares about each of you separate from the others&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/07/why-gay-people-simply-must-go-to-hell/comment-page-2/#comment-121386</link>
		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[all i know is i lived the first40 years of my life hiding my true self i knew when i was only 8 that i liked men. i was married 15 years trying to hide myself, all it did was make he crazy, i finally left my wife and told her i was gay and that she needed a real man to love her the way she deserves. my god loves all that he has made and when he makes anything it is done right. so since i was born gay it must have been what he wanted. those that say gays arent born that way , either is not gay themselves or they are gay and dont want to admit it...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all i know is i lived the first40 years of my life hiding my true self i knew when i was only 8 that i liked men. i was married 15 years trying to hide myself, all it did was make he crazy, i finally left my wife and told her i was gay and that she needed a real man to love her the way she deserves. my god loves all that he has made and when he makes anything it is done right. so since i was born gay it must have been what he wanted. those that say gays arent born that way , either is not gay themselves or they are gay and dont want to admit it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/07/why-gay-people-simply-must-go-to-hell/comment-page-2/#comment-120712</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your argument is the best I have ever read or heard about that subject, of homosexuality being a choice or not! If I may I will use this argument every time I am discussing this matter! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your argument is the best I have ever read or heard about that subject, of homosexuality being a choice or not! If I may I will use this argument every time I am discussing this matter! <img src='http://dangerousintersection.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/07/why-gay-people-simply-must-go-to-hell/comment-page-2/#comment-120711</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 01:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Im sorry, but in the Corinthians 6:9-10 I dind&#039;t read any part refering to homosexual sex as a sin! It only speaks of Homosexual offenders, who are the same as sexual offenders, it doesn&#039;t say anything about concensual homosexual sex, you should find another source to validate your opinions. Another thing I would like to ask you, you are aware that, as the article says, many homosexual actions are being observed in nature? Animals have instincts they do not choose to participate in homosexual sex, it is in their nature in the same way it is in some humans! And another thing, you are saying that all the humans that have homosexual urges are being possesed by homosexual spirits which means that you believe that the spirits possess the animals too. Finaly if god does not make mistakes how are there so many homosexual humans and animals in this world? The answer is simple, it is Gods decision to create homosexual beings, thus you argument is invalid!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sorry, but in the Corinthians 6:9-10 I dind&#8217;t read any part refering to homosexual sex as a sin! It only speaks of Homosexual offenders, who are the same as sexual offenders, it doesn&#8217;t say anything about concensual homosexual sex, you should find another source to validate your opinions. Another thing I would like to ask you, you are aware that, as the article says, many homosexual actions are being observed in nature? Animals have instincts they do not choose to participate in homosexual sex, it is in their nature in the same way it is in some humans! And another thing, you are saying that all the humans that have homosexual urges are being possesed by homosexual spirits which means that you believe that the spirits possess the animals too. Finaly if god does not make mistakes how are there so many homosexual humans and animals in this world? The answer is simple, it is Gods decision to create homosexual beings, thus you argument is invalid!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/07/why-gay-people-simply-must-go-to-hell/comment-page-2/#comment-120710</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 00:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trying to have a decent conversation with a person who hasn&#039;t an open mind is like trying to play chess with a pidgeon! You are not going to win because there is no communication! Some people don&#039;t accept the fact that other people may have different opinions than themselves. I gave up trying to have a conversation with that kind of people years ago! It is sad actually, it is all a matter of education!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying to have a decent conversation with a person who hasn&#8217;t an open mind is like trying to play chess with a pidgeon! You are not going to win because there is no communication! Some people don&#8217;t accept the fact that other people may have different opinions than themselves. I gave up trying to have a conversation with that kind of people years ago! It is sad actually, it is all a matter of education!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tiedemann</title>
		<link>http://dangerousintersection.org/2006/06/07/why-gay-people-simply-must-go-to-hell/comment-page-2/#comment-116464</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Tiedemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Niklaus,

Fascinating thesis.  I think I agree.  I&#039;ll think on it.

But an observation about the whole &quot;choice&quot; issue, at least with regards to religious homophobes.  I think you do not go far enough.  At base, they are raised to regard ALL of human nature as essentially evil, something which must be continually fought and resisted in order to lead an &quot;exemplary&quot; life.  As such, homosexuality is the functional equivalent of any aspect of religiously unmodified living that embraces &quot;natural&quot; proclivities over the self-discipline of denial.  Consequently, homophobia is just the most visible aspect of a doctrine of self-loathing that encompasses most of what we might reasonably regard as Being Human.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niklaus,</p>
<p>Fascinating thesis.  I think I agree.  I&#8217;ll think on it.</p>
<p>But an observation about the whole &#8220;choice&#8221; issue, at least with regards to religious homophobes.  I think you do not go far enough.  At base, they are raised to regard ALL of human nature as essentially evil, something which must be continually fought and resisted in order to lead an &#8220;exemplary&#8221; life.  As such, homosexuality is the functional equivalent of any aspect of religiously unmodified living that embraces &#8220;natural&#8221; proclivities over the self-discipline of denial.  Consequently, homophobia is just the most visible aspect of a doctrine of self-loathing that encompasses most of what we might reasonably regard as Being Human.</p>
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